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  Dean Songer

  by Charles Gillette in

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  a long time servant of the watchtower organization died this week.

  his name was dean songer.

  does anyone have any memories about him that they would like to share with us?

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  lrkr

  Never met him. But heard from Ken Joe at the Farm that he was an engineer type- who was the writing department's proofreader. Doctrinal proofreader.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses worship a pagan god derived from the ancient Canaanite civilization

  by Finkelstein in

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  2. beliefs

  historians of ancient history along with bible scholars have found from where the ancient hebrews acquired their god yhwh .. el was the all powerful god of the canaanites which the hebrews converted mostly to a monotheist style of worship for themselves.. apparently their were ancient civilizations that predated the canaanites as well .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnpaoappiqm.

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  lrkr

  I've been reading a book- God- a human history- by Raza Aslan

  Very interesting. El, was a realtively well known member of the Cannonite pantheon. YHWH was a different God worshiped apparently by Midianites. The OT and Torah weave the 2 together. Resulting in odd constructions like "The Lord thy God says...." lord is one of them, god is the other.

  There are 2 creation accounts woven together, 2 flood accounts, etc- each with it's own specific, and contradictory details.

  Its El who says "Let us make man in our image" because he is speaking to the other Cannanite gods- Marduk, Baal, etc.
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  meet ups or support ?

  by lonliwon in

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  my wife and i have been long time lurkers here and are now members .

  we were wondering if anyone is aware of any groups or individuals that meet periodically within ( or a short drive from ) connecticut ?

  we aren't looking to bash the past ... just to connect with others who understand and move on .

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  lrkr

  In the Hudson Valley. CT not too far.
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  What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

  by dubstepped in

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  2. beliefs

  i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

  i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

  so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

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  lrkr

  And funny how the bible books of Isaiah, Daniel, and Ezekiel were all about that little stint in prison!

  One of the keys to my waking up- those ridiculous books!
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  Watchtower Telephone Books!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower telephone booksdownload1999https://we.tl/2wddq7vcwv2015https://we.tl/pfhhniienc2017https://we.tl/pjxyjtvbrx.

  petra!.

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  lrkr

  It used to mean pager. Yes they were all in on pocket pagers. I cannot imagine that they are still in that mode though.
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  The Dead Sea Scrolls - did the Qmran sect influence Jesus and the early Christians?

  by fulltimestudent in

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  the small sect that lived in the qmran area (and who 'owned' the documents known as the dead sea scrolls), is important if we want to understand the religious thinking in the form of judaism practised in the first century ce, and therefore the starting point for the development of early christianity.. what did jesus know about the essenes who were at least in some sort of association with that sect?.

  if early judaism was truly monotheistic, how can we relate some of these thoughts to that concept?.

  from document iiq17 viii: "they bless and praise the god of gods ..." (note the translators(geza vermes) use of a capital g, why did he decide to use a capital.

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  lrkr

  The Essenes were an apocalyptic Jewish cult. Believed in a universe of good vs. Evil, a coming final battle, and victory to the forces of good.

  Very much like the Jesus cult.

  Instead of saying the Essenes influenced the Jesus cult, I would say that the Jesus cult and the Essenes were similar products of the religious thought pattern of their time.

  A Jewish nation that had been dominated by Rome and it's agents for a few hundred years that was looking for a savior/messiah/general to lead a successful revolution.
  
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  In one sentence, can you pinpoint a single event that woke you up?

  by Brian J in

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  my turning point: serving on a child abuse judicial case.

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  lrkr

  Up at 11:30 PM. Young child and wife asleep upstairs, and I'm adding up service reports that are clearly faked and mean nothing. Pointless. And on a deadline. WTF- and I don't mean Watchtower Farms.
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  Calling All Watchtower Historians ... What was the V.F.V.?

  by Wild_Thing in

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  2. friends

  in the may 27, 1942 edition of the consolation, the watchtower society devoted several pages to the controversy surrounding the burial of joseph rutherford.

  in several sections, they write about "the opposition" in vague terms without much specificity as to who these other groups of people were who were supposedly persecuting them.

  one section refers to a group called v.f.v.

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  Damn. I'm giving a dollar for the VFW poppy every time now. (Jk- I already do)
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  Watch Tower Farms

  by Lost in the fog in

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  i know that the farms have been around for decades but i was wondering if the watch tower farms ever abbreviate their name simply to wtf?

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  lrkr

  20 years ago every branch, etc had a three letter identifier. BKN, WTF, AND PAT.

  WTF was changed to WAL I think.
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  It's hard being bisexual and being a jw

  by Sally fields in

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  2. relationships

  i've been bi for a long time but i know it's wrong if you want to be a jw... .

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  lrkr

  Sally, you said, "Yeah i do . Like I believe the bible prophecies are probably true and the history aspects ."

  Look a little deeper. Read books by Bart Ehrman, Ray Franz, carl orloff Johnnson, etc

  Start with "Age of Reason by Thomas Paine. Here's a link: http://manybooks.net/pages/painethoetext03twtp410/0.html

  There is no reason to be conflicted. The "prophecies and history " aren't true!