CHL, THANK YOU. This is a powerful lesson for me to apply to my nephew and niece. It breaks my heart to see them growing up JW, but now I can see clearly what I can do about it.
You are an amazing person, CHL.
Rachel
if you got to choose who your children would be, i'd choose luca.
he is all the things that i'd like to be myself.
there is no human who holds more weight for me than him.
CHL, THANK YOU. This is a powerful lesson for me to apply to my nephew and niece. It breaks my heart to see them growing up JW, but now I can see clearly what I can do about it.
You are an amazing person, CHL.
Rachel
mouthy, is today your 81st birthday?
i saw on a post you wrote -- and it said birthday!
(don't know how these things work?).
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, GRANNY GRACE! WE LOVE YOU SO MUCH!!!!
not that any of them would post, but do you think that they have people who they secretly have visit anti-jw sites and forums like this just for the purpose of seeing what people are saying about them and what their current members might stumble upon?.
if you google jws, the first couple are official, the next two are wikis, then you have an anti-jw site and then there's this one.
any current or potential member that is looking for more information than is published by the wbts will be directed to these sites.
Hopefully more are pure in heart like Ray Franz was - it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to know the TRUTH about "the Truth" and not do anything about it. So, I hope those who are enlisted to read sites like this use the information to set themselves and others free from the lie. Peace, Rachel
the reason why i ask is because whenever u are df and u are trying to get reinstated they are always tellling u that u have to produce fruits befitting repentenace like attending the meetings,etc.
they always make it seem that since they are gods spirit-directed org.
that he will know whether or not if a person is repentent.
I have known people personally who were doing just what you described, living a lie, faking repentence. And sure enough, they got reinstated pretty quickly.
The flip side of that is those of us who did everything the elders told us to do, and knew in our hearts we were repentent, but the elders still refused to let us back in. Because we were honest, revealing our faults. We would have been better off by lying to them.
That's how I know they can't read hearts, they are not God's channel, they are just men. That's it. (And if you are still not sure about this fact, I challenge you to test it out by lying to them in a JC, and see if they can tell. They can't. God's not there with them.)
Peace,
Rachel
alot of you maybe stuck for choice so you can say as many as you want.
I hate how JW's say that if things are hard, it's because Satan is persecuting you; and if things are going well, it's because of Jehovah's blessing. But then if things are going well for an apostate it's certainly not Jehovah's blessing - they say it's only a matter of time until things go poorly for them!
So don't they realize their logic is completely illogical?
(Edited to complete my thought...)
alot of you maybe stuck for choice so you can say as many as you want.
Oh, and Low-Key Lysmith, yours made me laugh out loud, which is embarrassing, since I'm supposedly working on a boring project at work, and now it's obvious that I'm not!
My mom was the queen of saying things like that - so manipulative! So hilarious looking back!
alot of you maybe stuck for choice so you can say as many as you want.
I posted this in another thread but i think it applys here too!
I was told that the only reason I could be depressed was that I did something wrong and was feeling guilty about it!
I guess there is no medical reason to be depressed, just guilt!
Yeah, I was told something like this too! By several elders, who told me that if I was depressed and feeling suicidal (which is what I confessed to the elders, looking for help!) it was because I "wasn't studying enough, wasn't going in service enough, wasn't praying enough, wasn't faithful enough". Oh, and I had "brought it on myself for making such bad choices in life"! (I was newly reinstated.) Nice thing to say to someone asking for help, eh? Other stupid things I've heard: "Well, I hope you and your therapist are very happy together," my mom said in response to my explaining how much my therapist was helping me to feel good about myself and to realize what parts of my experience (of going through disfellowshipping) were not healthy. (I admit that I knew she wouldn't be happy to hear what I had to say, but come on! Her response is so childish!) "You sound just like the Pentecosts," in a scoffing tone - my mom again, when I explained to her how I thought everyone should just love each other and want their loved ones to be happy in life. Oh and my personal favorite: "Beware of the dangers of independent thinking!" I have been told this so many times by so many JW's, plus all the times they put it in their publications and speak it from the stage. So annoying! Oh, weird JW's, I feel sorry for you.
here is where i cry and feel pity for myself: .
i'm terrible at keeping up with my friends.
i don't call them often enough, or i make an effort in the beginning and then i let it slide.
Me too, Hope4Others! And yet, you come across as such a positive spirit. That's very commendable.Unfortunately every friend I had was a Jw, after zillions of years.
But I do love to email, and I like to keep in touch by phone a bit with new people I am meeting now.I keep up better via email than via phone. But it's actually spending face time with my friends that I do not keep up with! I am working on it though!
i posted a thread earlier this week about a conversation i had with my jw ex-wife.
the next day i sent her this e-mail.
one should never be afraid of ideas.
Yeah, good point, willyloman. I can't recall anyone really saying anything to Seeker 4 about the original content, except that it is good and we will use the points personally.
Seeker, I am interested to know what your ex-wife responds with, if anything. I hope that she lets curiosity get the best of her and really gives your words careful attention and thought!
1/captives of a concept.....fantastic....thanks don...you freed my mind completely .
2/visions of glory...barbara harrison....fantastic insights......(god can't kill arnold) .
3/jehovah lives in brooklyn.....ricky francis.....he sums all jw's up brilliantly....love this book .
Have You Seen My Mother. by. Bryan Lee McGlothin
This one helped me too.
Rachel