I think we need a definition, then, of the word demons. I took the first post to mean the conventional meaning as defined by the Jehovah's Witnesses. What Buttlight described seems like in her mind ghosts, spirits, demons are all one and the same.
GoddessRachel
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What do you think about Demons now?
by tooktheredpill inhi guys!.
as many of you know, i'm still inside the borg, but my mind is completely disconnected.
i had a chat with some friends during the week, and they started sharing experiences they had, dealing with demons in the past.. i heard some stories from brothers from cuba, that used to be mediums or "saints", and how the demons "immediately started to attack them when they started learning the truth(tm)".
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FemaleThinking?
by R.Crusoe ini have often heard women speak about men who think with their meat and two veg!.
it is as if they lay claim to a theory that all male agendas form as thoughts which mainly travel down the cerabal cortex and out through the zipper before coming to life in the real world.. but how do men think women think?.
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GoddessRachel
Lou Belle your generalization doesn't work. Have you met "most" women? No, you haven't. Have you talked to "most" women so as to know how they think? No, you haven't. There are close to 4 billion women in this world. How many of them do you personally know? Your generalizations mean nothing!
Cog (pong)
Well put, Cog, I just want to say I have always enjoyed your posts. Your logic is so good. This thread took a weird turn. It seems now we are just talking about sex. I think frankiespeakin's point is that he will always "put up" with women's quirkiness all because of the sex. The feminist in me says, what are we, pieces of meat? And though I like freakiness, I think the song Don't Cha is ridiculous: it's about women tearing other women apart, trying to take their men, not respecting relationships. What an AWESOME song (Not). Rachel
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What do you think about Demons now?
by tooktheredpill inhi guys!.
as many of you know, i'm still inside the borg, but my mind is completely disconnected.
i had a chat with some friends during the week, and they started sharing experiences they had, dealing with demons in the past.. i heard some stories from brothers from cuba, that used to be mediums or "saints", and how the demons "immediately started to attack them when they started learning the truth(tm)".
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I have a pretty sad and interesting story to share regarding demons, and maybe anyone that has grown up in this religion can identify.
It was summer and my brother and I and my cousin were visiting my paternal grandparents for our three week stay over. After hearing a talk at the KH where they pronounced all these corporations as demonized and all these references as demons (including different toothpastes), we as impressionable children decided that one Saturday afternoon, we would go through grandmom's record collection and destroy all of her demonized recordings. I remember it well, all her marvin gaye, motown recordings, all of her favorite singers, broken up and in a pile. Even to this day, it breaks my heart to remember what we did. I saw my grandmom not too long ago and although she is a JW, there's a vacant look to her that many possess and I just remember that.
Oh, Layla! What a heartbreaking, bittersweet story! Don't beat yourself up for it, you were well intentioned children being swayed by adults who should know better!
As far as my opinion of demons, I am no longer afraid of them because I realize the silliness of the JW propaganda. I am not completely sure about a spirit realm in general; I am doing what I've never before been "allowed" to do, that is, researching the facts and making my own educated decision on the matter (rather than just being told what to believe and not to question it!).
Peace,
Rachel
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The Book Study reader's cellphone went off ....
by Frequent_Fader_Miles in.... during the book study.
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it was bad enough he forgot to turn off his cellphone before the study began, but to make things worse he had a kingdumb malady [of all things] as his ringtone!!!
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GoddessRachel
I didn't even know they made Kingdom Melody ringtones! I wonder which song it was...
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How Would a JW Answer This Question? Opinions, Please.
by GoddessRachel ini was thinking to myself this morning and came up with this question:.
if jehovah god is so merciful, why would he punish his people because of apostates?.
my thought process was that the end hasn't come because it is some kind of a test to see how faithful his people can be.
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Thanks, VoidEater, I get what you are saying.
So I guess I was wondering if I could use my question to reason with my JW family. I guess more than that I personally cannot understand how they/JW's can believe a merciful god would let things continue on as they are, not in my reality, but in their stifling JW reality. They are the ones who have to live with cutting off their family everyday even though it hurts like hell because that is what their god wants. I understand this is really not what god wants but it is what the WTS says they have to do. They don't understand this. So I just wondered what my JW family would say if I would pose that question to them: HOW CAN YOU SAY JEHOVAH GOD IS MERCIFUL AFTER ALL THAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH?
That's sure to close their ears though, isn't it?
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Darin's Tijuana Mexico JW experience
by Junction-Guy indarin is on a business trip in san diego california.
on monday, he and his friend josh went to tijuana mexico.
he said that was the crudest places he has ever seen.
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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Thanks, Gopher!
OK, well that is pretty much what I was picturing so I guess I was right. It's interesting that the link says the real point of a donkey show is to get lots of people to spend lots of money on alcohol and that more often than not they don't even have an actual donkey show because they just wait until everyone gets piss drunk and then leaves. Very interesting.
Besides, you don't have to go to Mexico to see a donkey show. If you are really into that sort of thing, you can just frequent your local porn store.
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Kelly Clarkson JW Connection
by Burger Time ini have not see this on here, but my dad is friends with kelly clarkson's aunt.
she is a jw in the area and evidently very close to kelly.
kelly invited her aunt to the american idol finale with her mom and dad, and they even interviewed her aunt on the local news.
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Please tell me you all have better taste than that.
Hey Hey we're the Monkees, People say we Monkey Around! But we're too busy singing to .....
aw, I was singing aloud and everything but I still forgot how the rest of it goes. Anybody?
OK, I just thought the Monkees TV show was funny when I was a kid, and their songs are sing-along-able (what, that's a word?). I don't actually think they are amazing musicians. I understand that Pink Floyd and The Beatles and a bunch of others are in a class of their own. But what's wrong with liking a catchy tune, man?
But anyway, the point of this thread is that a JW did something very naughty; she went to a live show called American IDOL! That's juicy!
Rachel
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How Would a JW Answer This Question? Opinions, Please.
by GoddessRachel ini was thinking to myself this morning and came up with this question:.
if jehovah god is so merciful, why would he punish his people because of apostates?.
my thought process was that the end hasn't come because it is some kind of a test to see how faithful his people can be.
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Gopher:
By "punish", do you mean let them suffer the loss of their loved ones to "Satan's wicked system", or do you merely mean extending the length of this old system?
I meant punish, or test, by extending the length of this old sysetm.
Is this reasoning something your JW family believes? I thought JW's taught that Jehovah has a fixed date in mind for Armageddon, and that by now Jesus already knows so that he can "gear up" for the great battle.
Well, they contradict themselves on this point, Gopher. They keep setting dates, but they also use the scripture that nobody knows the day or the hour and use that to motivate people to keep doing the JW stuff day in and day out. "Paradise is the day after tomorrow." A phrase I've heard many an elder and CO use many a time.
Actually this "test" is coming from the organization's policies about avoiding or even shunning family members who don't adhere to the Watchtower's current doctrines.
I agree with you, Gopher, but from a JW's point of view, I am wondering what a JW thinks of this "test" and how they can comprehend it and still think Jehovah is loving and merciful. My argument is flawed; I see that now.
Yes, it's a self-inflicted persecution complex. The farther away you get from the JW organization, the more clearly you see that their hurts are self-inflicted, and that people generally try to avoid them because they have a reputation for being narrow and exclusivist. Try to be a friend with a JW -- and you'll keep running into things they can't do because their religion prohibits it. The WTS has built an artificial wall around its followers to screen them off from normal interaction with other humans. Those inside the wall then cry about "persecution". Go figure.
Thank you, Gopher, your post has really helped me upon further reflection of it.
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How Would a JW Answer This Question? Opinions, Please.
by GoddessRachel ini was thinking to myself this morning and came up with this question:.
if jehovah god is so merciful, why would he punish his people because of apostates?.
my thought process was that the end hasn't come because it is some kind of a test to see how faithful his people can be.
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And why would he continue to test people like my family, who is hurting because so many of their children and their friends' children are "leaving the truth." I guess I think the JW's feel like the broken shells of people that they are is somehow proof of being persecuted by Satan.
Ecclesiastes 3:18 (New International Version)
18 I also thought, As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless.
Hah, the real meaning of life is that everything is meaningless. And it says so right in the Bible! How do ya like that?
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How Would a JW Answer This Question? Opinions, Please.
by GoddessRachel ini was thinking to myself this morning and came up with this question:.
if jehovah god is so merciful, why would he punish his people because of apostates?.
my thought process was that the end hasn't come because it is some kind of a test to see how faithful his people can be.
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I guess I need to rephrase my question. Gopher got my weird thinking the most, but he still went in a different direction than I intended.
OK I'm rusty on JW teachings apparently, then. Maybe this is just something my JW family believes. I thought that one thing they say to the JW's at the Kindgom Hall is that the reason why so many people are leaving is because Jehovah is weeding them out. And that the longer the JW's hold on and be faithful, the more they prove to Jehovah their loyalty. I also thought they said the reason why people's health at the kingdom hall is so bad (it was really bad in my congregation) and the reason why everyone is so depressed and struggling is because Satan is persecuting Jehovah's true people, and this was a sign of that. So then I thought about how the JW's say that Jehovah is a loving god and a merciful god. I disagree based on what his elders put me through, but that's a different story. I then based my question on the belief JW's have that God is merciful. And I wonder how can a merciful God continue this "test of loyalty". My family is broken apart. My siblings do not speak to each other. Some of my siblings do not speak to my parents. My parents do not call me or some of my siblings. It's all because of the Witnesses. It's all because of these stupid rules that do nothing but hurt so many people. I guess I just wonder if I could reason with my JW family by asking them why a merciful god is punishing them, when they have been nothing but loyal. Why hasn't the end come, if it is coming? It feels to me, based on their teachings and thought process, that they are being tested (I guess I should say tested instead of punished) by their God because of things that others (apostates) are doing. How is this just? How is this loving? How is this merciful? It's not. Have I lost everybody now? I may have even lost myself on this one. I was very excited when I first thought this up, but I'm glad I came here with it first because I can see it's not a foolproof argument. I just don't even know where to begin to slip snippets of real truth to my family, without scaring them away from me for saying apostate things. I feel the need to help them and give them a fighting chance to see the real truth of the truth, even if it is ultimately futile. I don't know if it is. I just feel the need to try and help. Thanks, all. Rachel