I guess they see it as if to say, They are following the slave class who represent the Lamb making it the same thing. all part of the big puzzle.
chrisjoel
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I used to accept this although never quite getting it--now I just don;t get it
by booby in*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par.
3 they "keep following the lamb" ***.
3 jesus has appointed the faithful and discreet slave "over his domestics," that is, the individual members of the slave class, "to give them their food at the proper time.
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JW's are NOT Dedicated to the ORGANIZATION!
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe watchtower society claims that jehovah's witnesses are not dedicated to the watchtower organization!.
this claim is made in the quotes below.. however, how can this be true, while at the same time, all jehovah's witnesses are baptized in the name of the "spirit-directed organization"?.
the watchtower, july 1st, 1970, page 404:.
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chrisjoel
JEHOVAH and The organization. A distinction without a difference.
Theres a part in the bible where it says a few of jesus followers said "Hey , those guys over there are speaking in your name, we dont know who theyare but what gives, shouldnt they be here with US" loose paraphrasing of course..WELL, doesnt that show an organization of structure isnt binding?
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Possible reason JWs on this board Totally ignore what is presented here
by chrisjoel in(reposting this comment).
its because: they come on this board and see all kinds of xjws not all "speaking in agreement" and compare us with the organization and congregation, where they all "speak in agreement" and are all "unified", and all "fitly tied together in the same mind".
so, how can we have the truth if we are part of a free for all?
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chrisjoel
Nevermind... I re-read ChrisJoel's comment, and realized I'd taken the tone and intent wrong...
HEH thats ok, it took me 6 yrs of trying to prove the anti JWs wrong. in the end i had to admit I WAS WRONG...I guess sometimes i have to really try to get my point across clearer..... So when i see JWs on this board just totally ignoring anything and everything put before them, it hits home and i feel for them ,but then it pisses me off at the same time.
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Possible reason JWs on this board Totally ignore what is presented here
by chrisjoel in(reposting this comment).
its because: they come on this board and see all kinds of xjws not all "speaking in agreement" and compare us with the organization and congregation, where they all "speak in agreement" and are all "unified", and all "fitly tied together in the same mind".
so, how can we have the truth if we are part of a free for all?
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chrisjoel
Hopefully after reading posts on this board, the lightswitch turns on.. I also think alot of it has to do with fear. .they may reason
"Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him "
So if Jeh can kill a dude simply for trying to help steady the ark, imagine what he is going to do to all those evil apostates.....Its hard to expunge all the biblical references from their own demise at armageddon which is due any day now. better to ignore all the proofs...
..yes, conform or be cast out.
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Possible reason JWs on this board Totally ignore what is presented here
by chrisjoel in(reposting this comment).
its because: they come on this board and see all kinds of xjws not all "speaking in agreement" and compare us with the organization and congregation, where they all "speak in agreement" and are all "unified", and all "fitly tied together in the same mind".
so, how can we have the truth if we are part of a free for all?
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(Reposting this comment)
ITS BECAUSE: They come on this board and see all kinds of xjws NOT all "speaking in agreement" and compare us with the organization and congregation, where they all "speak in agreement" and are all "unified", and all "fitly tied together in the same mind". So, how can we have the TRUTH IF WE are part of a free for all? ....so...it really doesnt matter what is presented to them we are a evil slave that are running amok! Its all irrelevant to them and they are proving a point by being here that we are disorganized and therefore of satan the devils table.
Listen man, there is No organization here because for the most part were not a publishing company, were individuals! We learned what we believed wasnt accurate. NOW, after coming to that realization, we are all on different paths. SUre some of us are born agains, athiests, agnostics(me), and still, some of us KEEP some of the previous beliefs for whatever reason. WE DONT NEED to all be on the same page IN THIS FORUM! We dont need to agree with everyone like we are still sitting at the hall.
But one thing we do know is that we didnt find the TRUTH in the organization of JWs. This has sent us "back to ourselves" We are individuals here. We havent developed some mission statement or company charter that says we do battle with the JWs. Our families are still in the org and this ties us to them. Whether we like it or not its what we live with. Some have developed a militaristic approach sure...theyre pissed off at the WTS!
Anyways , at the end of the day, you have to pull your head out of the sand and realize THIS isnt supposed to be compared to the JW "organization" , its keeping you from a balanced non biased view. .....btw were not the ones that printed all that stuff ok!
We all may not be on the same page relgiously or spiritually but we all have the one thing in common. That we feel that we have been duped. Taken for a ride. We examined the evidence and left the organization. Why would we feel like we need to force ouselves to think all the same again?
JWs are guided to think the same way by virtue of the fact that they must conform to whatever is published EVEN if its right today and wrong tommorrow.
Of course I understand that JWs pride themselves on the fact that they all think the same. Whereever they go in the world, they can have a place to stay. Just go to the local congregation and hope someone invites you over to their house....Thats all fine and dandy.
IT DOESNT EXCUSE all the Flip Flops. All the abandoned teachings. All the predictions that never came to pass.
All it says is that 'we all think the same way, therefore , if i go to canada i can find another company soldier". So What! Come on . Really, SO FREAKING WHAT! That doesnt prove anything. Whats in print, on the other hand, and what has NOT passed according to GODS so called Prophet is what condems the Watchtower Society.
DONT BLAME US. BLAME THEM.
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Christianity gives you.........umm.......uh.............................................?
by Terry inthat's right, nothing.. you get struck on the cheek and you pony up for the other slap.. your pray for the enemy who wants you face down in the mud with his heel on your neck.. you get treated like pond scum and force a smile and forgive.. abused?
forgive and forget.. need help desperately?
when nothing happens, chalk it up to your unworthiness and lack of faith.. .
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chrisjoel
You seem to have the intellect down, try finding (or displaying) an emotion other than anger. You might be happier.
How bout displaying "crazy"?
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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?
by Dogpatch inwho are the false prophets today.
by barbara anderson.
in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.
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chrisjoel
....HUmmm.... Me thinks I know why the JW apologists ignore much that is presented to them!
ITS BECAUSE: They come on this board and see all kinds of xjws NOT all "speaking in agreement" and compare us with the organization and congregation, where they all "speak in agreement" and are all "unified", and all "fitly tied together in the same mind". So, how can we have the TRUTH IF WE are part of a free for all? ....so...it really doesnt matter what is presented to them we are a evil slave that are running amok! Its all irrelevant to them and they are proving a point by being here that we are disorganized and therefore of satan the devils table.
PLEASE! Listen man, there is No organization here because for the most part were not a publishing company! We learned what we believed wasnt accurate. NOW, after coming to that realization, we are all on different paths. SUre some of us are born agains, athiests, agnostics(me), and still, some of us KEEP some of the previous beliefs FOR whatever reason. WE DONT NEED to all be on the same page IN THIS FORUM! We dont need to agree with everyone like we are still sitting at the hall.
But one thing we do know is that we didnt find the TRUTH in the organization of JWs. We are individuals here. We havent developed some mission statement or company charter that says we do battle with the JWs. Our families are still in the org and this ties us to them. Whether we like it or not its what we live with. Some have developed a militaristic approach sure...theyre pissed at the WTS!
Anyways , at the end of the day, you have to pull your head out of the sand and realize THIS isnt supposed to be compared to the JW "organization" , its keeping you from a balanced non biased view. .....btw were not the ones that printed all that stuff ok!
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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?
by Dogpatch inwho are the false prophets today.
by barbara anderson.
in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.
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chrisjoel
So we just ignore that Deut 18 makes it clear the false prophet has to be claiming to say inspired Words directly from God
But isnt that exactly what we have been saying that the society is claiming that they are doing? They arent coming out and saying that an angel from god is sitting in on the editorial commitee meetings they have prior to sending something to print, where upon such an angel has a direct link to GOd almighty himself. No. But they are making the bold claim that They are the only mouthpiece on earth today that can publish gods thoughts in print, on matters since they out of everyone are the only truth and thus make spirit directed decisions. THERE IS Little or no difference in prefacing a major doctrinal change, or prediction announcement with words such as "at 8am this morning God thru an angel spoke to brother so and so and this is the new light" compared with claims of being GOds spirit directed organization, along with boasts and wondrous claims of divine appointment, and a divine appointed governing body. We arent ignoring anything were pointing to all those false predictions, flip flop back and forth teachings of great spiritual food that downlplays any semblance of appointment by God.
WE arent haughty. Puffed up with pride. We arent Kora like. We call a spade a spade. Like a scientist once said, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. wheres the evidence? When you put it all on a balance the preponderance of the evidence is clearly NOT on the Societys side of the scale. Do YOU REALLY THINK we would have left the so called TRUE religion if it was?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1UXuyZ0_g4&playnext=1&videos=l7VyAxZXL6I
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Ontario Canada FINALLY legalizes Mixed Marital Arts!!!!!!!!!!!
by chrisjoel inhttp://www.news.ontario.ca/mcs/en/2010/08/ontario-moves-to-allow-mixed-martial-arts.html.
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chrisjoel
I cant wait! I bet the cheap seats will be like 100 bucks but hey Id like to go at least a few times....
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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?
by Dogpatch inwho are the false prophets today.
by barbara anderson.
in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.
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chrisjoel
isnt it kind of funny that when something like 1975 happens, or the new generation view comes along and JWs leave over these issues, the remaining JWs come up with the fact that the ISSUE itself is CLEANING out the organization! ie. refining of true christians! ...
SANDRA C
Aug 11, 2010 @ 20:42:03Please Dennis, don’t let the new understanding of “this generation” stumble you. I’m sure there will be some sifting and refining of true Christians now on this issue. Please continue with your Bible study. I hope you will progress to baptism while there is yet time.
I stumbled too on certain teachings … but when I returned to the congregation in 2008 I resolved to never let it happen again. I will repeat the reason WHY. As I said to you earlier on the Friday Question page, a brother from New York Bethel said it similarly to me in 1987.
It’s not important that we have a complete understanding of everything. What’s important is that we put our complete trust in Jehovah, Jesus and the Faithful Slave. Our faith in Jehovah and his sure promises, as well as our desire to serve him fully, should not require that we perfectly understand every single point. If this were the case, then we can be sure that Satan would always use that against us — Satan would make sure that we always have some unresolved issue in front of us, distracting us from serving Jehovah fully! We can see that in these “last days” Jehovah has given us increased light and a richness of understanding, such that there is no need for any of us to “struggle,” nor is there a need to unnecessarily delay in serving Jehovah wholeheartedly. Instead, we should be most thankful and grateful for Jehovah’s undeserved loving kindness in providing the ransom sacrifice for our benefit. It is only because of this undeserved kindness that we can have a close relationship with Jehovah NOW, and the possibility of everlasting life in his new system of things. This is what we should be focusing on, not whether we understand everything perfectly. It is okay to question, yes, and we can be assured that, as we continue to seek for understanding, Jehovah will richly reward us with discernment and contentment of heart (Phil. 1:8-11; John 4:23, 24), but we should not let it be prolonged, nor let it distract us from our real purpose in life, which is the doing of God’s will. http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.com/