Narkissos, you and Leolaia are conspiciously intelligent critical thinkers with a wealth of knowledge. Have you thought of applying for a position on the GB? They could use some brainiacs to make up for the human drudge muckers.
Bible_Student777
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John The Baptist. More than a Prophet?
by Steve J inin bite me's recent post about the virgin birth i raised some serious questions which make us doubt that jesus was conceived by gods holy spirit.
my research over the last few years, since leaving jw's has led me to believe jesus was just a ordinary man, and to me that makes his sacrifice even more powerful.
this post raises similar questions and challenges what we actually know about john the baptist and the part he played in jesus' life.. in islam, john the baptist and jesus are as important as one another and in arabic, the language of the qur'an, john is known as yahya the infinite.
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John The Baptist. More than a Prophet?
by Steve J inin bite me's recent post about the virgin birth i raised some serious questions which make us doubt that jesus was conceived by gods holy spirit.
my research over the last few years, since leaving jw's has led me to believe jesus was just a ordinary man, and to me that makes his sacrifice even more powerful.
this post raises similar questions and challenges what we actually know about john the baptist and the part he played in jesus' life.. in islam, john the baptist and jesus are as important as one another and in arabic, the language of the qur'an, john is known as yahya the infinite.
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Bible_Student777
You need LESS BRAIN and MORE FAITH! What's the point of all these intelligent questions and observations? REBOOT and BELIEVE!
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In Search of the Hysterical Jesus
by Bible_Student777 init arrived in my email yesterday:.
merry christmas one and all!
the christmas season brings to mind visions of the baby jesus, wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger (a manger is a feeding-trough for farm animals by the way, and i know darn well most of you didn't know that!
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In Search of the Hysterical Jesus
by Bible_Student777 init arrived in my email yesterday:.
merry christmas one and all!
the christmas season brings to mind visions of the baby jesus, wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger (a manger is a feeding-trough for farm animals by the way, and i know darn well most of you didn't know that!
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Bible_Student777
You might like this. It arrived in my email yesterday:
Merry Christmas one and all!The Christmas season brings to mind visions of the Baby Jesus, wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger (A manger is a feeding-trough for farm animals by the way, and I know darn well most of you didn't know that! So don't tell me you did! ) If one looks closely at most Christmas displays, one discovers that the Baby Jesus bears an uncanny resemblance to a forty-watt soft-white light bulb. Amazing! But is this historically accurate? Was Christ's "Thomas-Edison nature" responsible for the warm seasonal glow that we call a nimbus, or halo? Halo!
The historical facts of the matter is that 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of all Christians who have ever lived, and an even higher percentage of those alive today, would be disgusted and repulsed by the physical attributes of the historical Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was not the tall, lithe, fair-skinned, glowingly clean slightly effeminate Caucasian male that sacred art depicts him to be. He was a first century Jewish male, and a first century Jewish male is something that we know a teensy weensy bit about.
1. Jews wiped their fannies with what literally translates as "crap-stick." There was no toilet paper back then folks. No "Please don't squeeze the Charmin!" Paper was expensive, far too expensive to wipe one's derriere with. So, the Jews--and other peoples too--used a shit-stick. With no dainty bidet to keep their bottoms clean and odor-free, we can rest assured that Jesus was a fragrant fellow, as were all Jews of the time (As are the Bedouins of today, who use either a crap-stick or the towel on their heads!)
2. There was no deodorant, and perfume was a bit beyond the reach of the everyday working person. Recall the "oil of spikenard" that Mary Magdalene used to anoint Jesus with was worth a years wage!
3. Jewish people didn't take baths. They washed their face, feet, and hands in a ritual manner daily, but the whole body rarely was bathed. It probably had something to do with THE LACK OF MODERN PLUMBING AND HEATING! HELLO! To heat up that much water took a lot of work, too much work when one was expending about SIX THOUSAND CALORIIES A DAY JUST TO STAY ALIVE!
4. Clothes were infrequently washed, on a "this really reeks!" basis for the same reasons as number three, above.
Now, lets observe some other interesting facets of the first century Jewish male. While Roman men averaged about five feet four inches, Jewish men averaged just a bit over five feet. Slightly taller than Danny DeVito who is five feet tall. In modern society, a male of four feet eleven inches or below is considered a midget or dwarf. So, by today's standards, Jewish men were just slightly taller than tall midgets. They were normal-sized to themselves of course, but if Jesus were to walk into First Baptist Church on Cracker Street of today, his tiny stature would shock and dismay his worshippers. To make things worse, the Old Slavonic version of the works of Josephus gives the height of Jesus as four and a half feet! A shorty even by the standards of his own time! (This is one of the major reasons I consider the Shroud of Turin to be a clever fraud. The man of the shroud is anywhere from 5-11 to 6-2, a towering GIANT for the time period! Judas would NOT have had to kiss such a giant to point him out to the Romans! "He's the giant Jew for Christ's sake!" is all he would have had to say!)
Also, Semitic peoples of that period--as well as actual pure-blooded Semitic peoples of today--are dark skinned, burnt even darker by the sun. Pay attention to films and videos of modern Bedouins for a clue to the hue of the skin of Jesus. To your average racist Billy-Bob Bible-toter of today, Jesus would be a big-time hackle-raiser for sure, and he would probably be lynched by them for being a "darkie." At the very least, he would be responsible for a mass exodus of ignorant redneck white folks from the Christian religion!
Jesus was a "tekton" which is universally mistranslated as "carpenter" in all but one English Bible version. Tekton means "artisan" a worker in stone, iron, and wood. This was hard work in an age of hard work! Being a tekton was back breaking body-destroying labor. We can hardly begin to grasp just how hard merely keeping alive was at that time, let alone making one's living in such an arduous fashion. So, Jesus the effeminate wus is also definitely fictional.
So, if you're still with me, the real Jesus was very short (Possibly even a midget by today's standards, and very short even for his own time), stinky, dirty, and nearly black. He was thin and hard as a rock from heavy labor with wiry muscles. He spoke Aramaic, a close cognate of Hebrew. GIBBERISH to your modern American "Jesus" worshipper who believes Jesus and the apostles spoke King James English! I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Jesus of history--even as a baby--bore no resemblance to the "Jesus" of the imagination. Nor to the "Jesus" reported in near death experiences: A tall effeminate white guy, all sparkling clean and deodorant fresh. To make matters even more unpalatable for the modern religious American, the Old Slavonic version of Josephus reports that Jesus was balding, had a patchy beard, a unibrow, and a hump on his back! In fact, Victor Hugo based the character of Quasimodo on the description of Jesus given in the Old Slavonic version of Josephus! Truly, He had "No form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." (Isaiah 53:2) But, religious folks being what they are--disinterested in facts, disinterested in reality--prefer their white-bread Hollywood Jesus to the genuine article. Rather than worship Jesus if confronted by The Real Deal, they'd hold their nose and get away from him ASAP, being repulsed not merely by his odor and unkempt appearance, but by his tiny stature and very dark skin. His incomprehensible "babble"--definitely NOT King James English--would have them running for cover or their rifles.
Your average "Jesus" worshipper has always worshipped a Jesus made IN THEIR OWN IMAGE AND LIKENESS, bearing no relationship to actual factual historical reality.
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new public edition of the WT
by loosie inok i have about 4 friends who don't know that i am out of the org.
because there is 3000 miles between us and the subject has not come up.. well one of them has emailed me a jpg copy of each page of the public edition of the wt.. i was feeling a little ornery, and i replied back.
i said wow having a private copy and then a public copy of the wt makes me feel like a secret agent.
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Bible_Student777
Just tell the nitwits the truth and get it over with. "I don't believe in that drabble. My brain finally switched on full blast. How about you?"
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World to end March 2008???
by GetOverIt inthis is very lengthy, if anyone has time, i'm interested in opinions.
i haven't gone over it thoroughly.
it also identifies jw's as having know become known as a false religion and uses a lot of chronology.. http://www.unwatchtower.com/.
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Bible_Student777
Opinion? Mental filth and trash, a waste of time. The world ends with the next major cometary impact or global thermonuclear war. Barring that, the sun will go nova in approximately 500 million years, expanding and engulfing the earth. So hunker down and start worrying.
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Bible_Student777
"LIVE AND LET LIVE." 1 Sentience 1:1
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What did Jesus mean by "this generation"
by Fisherman inwhat did jesus mean by "thisgeneration" ?.
34 truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.
in all 4 gospels, every time that jesus said "this generation" he was refering to his contemporaries, the people that lived in his time.
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Bible_Student777
He meant THAT generation. Anytime someone has to spew clouds of convoluted "scholarly" mental gymastics and verbal contortions, it's usually to make a verse or verses mean the exact opposite of what they actually say. Jesus meant the people he was speaking to, the people of THAT "genea." Sheesh.
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Acts 15. What is meant by Fornication
by Steve J inat atcs 15 we find the familir decision of the jerusalem elders;.
keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication.. i have always thought that fornication, or sexual imorality was a strage thing for the elders to come up with here, when they were obviously talking about issues surrounding worshiping "false gods.
could it be that the greek word porneiahas been misinterpreted here and actually refers to religious fornication in the same sense as found at rev:14,8 17:2,4 18:3 and 19:2, where the great harlot commits fornication?
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Bible_Student777
Anything done for Nick.
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New Light Extravagansa!!
by jefferywhat ina lot of people are in a little fuss about the generation change, which as far as im concerned, doesn't change anything, it could be step one of a bigger adjustment down the track, but on its own, its been done.
but at the annual meeting of the wtbs, there wasn't 1 but 5 changes of thought, the light has literally exploded.
one that has caught my attention is the the change on the dragnet of matthew 13. if you have wt 92 6/15 read it!
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Bible_Student777
The minutia of the inner workings of this end-of-the-world cult are not interesting, nor are they relevant to anyone's life. UNLESS one is a JW. This is tedious.
