Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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Shutting down the Judicial Committee "invite".

by kairos in

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judicial committee invitation comes, with be there or be square consequences.. ( come or we will df you ).

what are the sure fire, tested and true tactics that will keep the elders off your back?

( for good ).

StephaneLaliberte

But seriously, I believe that the best strategy is to ask them first what are the charges and who are the witnesses against you. They might not have enough to make a JC against you; mMost people simply confess at their JC and the elders often rely on this. If you can convince them that you have no intention of confessing anything, you have a very strong chance of not getting into a JC at all.

If it is a hard evidence such as a photo, an email or anything else, you can still deny saying that the person who brought the proof to them fabricated it; thus, they will need to stand by the two witness rule.

Also, there is the question of how the other evidence(s) was obtained. You may explained to them that you will not accept that anyone invades your privacy and may ask them what they intend to do with the ones who obtained the information illegally. You will first take the steps described in Mathew. That is, talk with your brother, then talk with that brother and another witness and then, bring him to the elders if he still doesn't listen. If the situation cannot be contained within the congregation, you will have no other choice but to use the legal system as there is no way you will accept such violation of your privacy. Of course, you hope that the elders will do what is right and avoid all this as the entire process will be painful for everyone involved. And think of how this could bring reproof on Jehovah's name? You may also state that you would not one minute believe that the Elders, representing the watchtower, would condone illegal actions by using illegally obtained material in the course of their proceedings.

Keep in mind though that such arguments are to be brought BEFORE a JC. Otherwise, the elders will feel pressured to render a decision and that decision will not necessarily be based on logic.

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Shutting down the Judicial Committee "invite".

by kairos in

jw
friends

judicial committee invitation comes, with be there or be square consequences.. ( come or we will df you ).

what are the sure fire, tested and true tactics that will keep the elders off your back?

( for good ).

StephaneLaliberte

A guy I know threatened the elders telling them that he knew where they lived and that they would have to face the consequences if they ever made his mother live through his disfellowshipping again. Told them he didn't mind going back to jail.

Amazingly enough, it worked on those particular elders. That being said, knowing that some of them are willing to face firing squads for their faith, I wouldn't count on that strategy.

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Do JW Children Still Call Adults "Aunt" and "Uncle"?

by cofty in

when i was young we were taught to refer to other adult jws as aunt or uncle.. was this also the case in other countries and does it still happen?.

was it just a custom or has the literature ever commented on it?.

thanks.

StephaneLaliberte

When I was a kid living in Quebec (Canada), 30 years ago, I would hear uncle and aunt here and there; it was not uncommon. Still, I did not do it myself.

Today, there is only one friend (and his wife) that I let my kids call uncle and aunt. Our parents were friends before we were born and we've been best friends forever, so, I consider him to be "my brother from another mother".

Otherwise, I think it's wrong to let your kid believe there is a bond as strong as blood that ties you up to a complete stranger. Especially if this individual is ready to shun you at any time based on a "star chamber" judicial committee.

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JW video Memes ...........Delusional humor

by Watchtower-Free in

https://instagram.com/jw_video_memes/.

https://instagram.com/p/zlaylblgo5/?modal=true.

StephaneLaliberte

https://instagram.com/p/zozSQlLGtx/?modal=true

That one is about being happy when you have only half a meeting. This goes on to show how much they truely appreciate their meetings!

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The WTBTS and Elders have too many stupid rules!

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

i hated ministry book bags.i hated coming out of my home with the book bags looking like i was going to a seminar.so,i starting going to the ministry school and sunday bible meetings holding only the required books for that day in my hand.. for the sunday meetings,i would just carry the song book,bible and watchtower magazine in my hand.

no book bag!

for the ministry school,i would just carry just what necessary for the evening.

StephaneLaliberte

I never was an elder, but I did have the big suit case as I thought it was very useful to carry everything for my family. So, my wife and kids didn't carry anything, everything was in the big case.

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Relief Efforts for Typhoon in Manila (Philippines)

by StephaneLaliberte in

i find articles like this (click very frustrating to read.

when i read reports on how charity was delivered, i am expecting to read numbers that will give me an idea of how money was used for such relief.

unfortunately, the information provided is simply not enough to provide any ball park idea of what was actually spent.

StephaneLaliberte

StarTrekAngel, this is quite interesting. Is there anyone else who has heard of a "Special Relief Fund" set up on the fly for a specific disaster?

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Relief Efforts for Typhoon in Manila (Philippines)

by StephaneLaliberte in

i find articles like this (click very frustrating to read.

when i read reports on how charity was delivered, i am expecting to read numbers that will give me an idea of how money was used for such relief.

unfortunately, the information provided is simply not enough to provide any ball park idea of what was actually spent.

StephaneLaliberte

I find articles like this (click very frustrating to read. When I read reports on how charity was delivered, I am expecting to read numbers that will give me an idea of how money was used for such relief. Unfortunately, the information provided is simply not enough to provide any ball park idea of what was actually spent.

The report states that almost 750 homes were repaired or rebuilt. “Or”? Really? Obviously, more efforts are needed to rebuild a house rather than simply repair it. How can we make an estimate of time based on this? Let’s use an example here: You are asked to know if you have enough water to fill a pool with 750 bottles of water and “5 Gallon” containers. It doesn’t make sense. The actual quantity could be anywhere between 580 to 14,214 liters!

So, let’s go with the worst possible scenario and claim that ALL 750 had to be rebuild. With a 5 days per 5 volunteers (as stated in the report), we can conclude that it would take a team of 16 volunteers to do the work in one year. Provided that they worked 5 days per week and had 4 weeks’ vacation!

So what about the 612 volunteers mentioned in the article? Obviously most of these worked for short periods of time and very for the entire length of the project.

As the article admits, most of the work was done by locales while 90 Witnesses from other countries also assisted. What did they do? How long did they stay? We don’t know.

With so little information, we may come to this pessimist conclusion:

A small amount of funds was indeed made available to the witnesses when the disaster occurred. However, most of the work and resources reported in the article has in fact been provided for by the 190 000 publishers in the Philippines. This conclusion is based on the fact that not all of the Philippinos live in poverty.

With this in mind, it would not be surprising to hear that all the donations spent on this disaster had in fact been covered by local donations within the year in their respective “World Wide Work” contribution box.

You think this conclusion is unfair? The simplest way to rebut this is to provide clear numbers: How much money did the Watchtower

1) provide for the relief effort?

2) receive in donations from the Philippines in the last 10 years?

3) spent in their preaching work in the last 10 years?

Why should we care?

Articles as this one remind to the reader that donation are also used for charity. As a result, this article links to a FAQ article named “How is the Work of Jehovah’s Witnesses Financed? In the third paragraph, the reader will notice that the first example of expense covered by the donation is “relieve victims of natural disasters”. Does the order of that list represent the order of priority for the expenses?

http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/work-financed/

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ARE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY STATISTICS REALLY TRUSTWORTHY?

by TerryWalstrom in

of these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps.

1,000 died in prison and concentration camps.

another 1,000 of jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.".

StephaneLaliberte

This level of innacuracy is in large part due to the fact that an estimated 1/3 of the JW became innactive and left during the war. As a result, active JW could have thought that they had died when in fact, they had "left the truth". In that sense, it might not be far fetch to say that they had not inflated their numbers on purpose. They were likely surprised by how many people actually left instead of holding up to their beliefs.

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2014 Watchtower Publisher Statistics

by jwfacts in

the 2014 grand totals page has been released onto facebook.. .

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i have started updating the statistics and graphs at jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php, and will release highlights as i work through it during the rest of the day..

StephaneLaliberte

Don't you find it strange that the reported average hours per publisher is 20.6 hours per month?

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At This Point In Time Would You Ever Subject Yourself To A Judicial Committee?

by minimus in

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friends

i certainly wouldn't.

and if the elders wanted to have a meeting with me, i would respectfully decline.

if the elders wanted to deal with you, would you talk with them?.

StephaneLaliberte

Yes, I would. And once the committee would be over, I would automatically appeal. I will not go out without a fight and telling them what I honestly believe. My argument would be simple: By disfellowshipping me, you are accusing me of not worshipping God anymore. I do not believe this to be true and true and would argue on it. I have been raised a JW and have given many precious years to that organization, I would take the same pleasure Jesus had by calling them hypocrites.