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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  You know, they are implementing that rule, but I am sure this will have to be published in a watchtower soon.

  Here is why: I once told an Elder off; he made a big deal out of something that the WT never wrote about and thus, he was running ahead of the org, being abusive towards me in the process. Then I said I was going to be entertained by what would happen once I complained to the other elders and our CO about it. He stopped pressuring me at once.

  Now that this directive isn't formally published anywhere (COs will simply talk about it... its not even in a BOE letter), I would expect some resistance from the great crowd. :)
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Simon: Sorry for replying so late.. I took an afternoon nap.

  This directive trivializes their ministry: Up to now, there was no official reason why someone would remain a JW and yet not be allowed to participate to the ministry. Hence, participating in the ministry was a fundamental right for which JWs fought all over the world, serving prison terms and some with their very life!

  That is why I made the comparison to the pedophiles as even those never lost their right to go door to door. Yes, the ministry was a fundamental right taken away from no one!

  That is, until they brought up that directive. Now, if you don’t act or dress properly, you can loose that "fundamental" right and yet, remain a JW!

  You could dress like a model JW for the ministry, fit for a picture in the watchtower. And yet, they could withhold that right and say: "When we saw you at the restaurant, me and my wife, we thought you looked a little gay".

  So, the ministry is not fundamental anymore. This is a big deal. Huge deal. Worthy of a lot of attention.
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Simon, you haven't addressed that I believed this was news worthy due to the fact that it trivialized their ministry, which, up until now, I thought was fundamental to being a JW. It is definitely news worthy.
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  The reason I am bringing in the pedophiles topic is that I always thought that NOTHING could take away the right to share in the ministry while remaining a JW.

  Up until yesterday, I believed that their ministry was a fundamental right, they acquired that right by fighting for it all over the world. Countless went to jail and many even died for that right!

  You know when you want to prove a point and use extremes to prove it? Well, I would say: Not even pedophiles loose that right! Its fundamental!

  Well, they changed that: It's a fundamental right, but if you look gay... than that's too much. Think about it: You could dress like the model JW for the ministry, fit for a picture in the watchtower. And yet, they could withhold that right and say: "When we saw you at the restaurant, me and my wife, we thought you looked a little gay".
  

  So, with this in mind, my "extreme" example to prove that the ministry is fundamental no longer applies. By outlining the directives in the way that they have done, they are demonstrating that the ministry is not a fundamental right to them.
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Where I think that DD has it right is that this letter goes beyond of what people are supposed to look like in the field ministry. It points to what they are in their day to day activities. This is nothing short than high control and abuse.

  Now, a gay who likes to dress like a metro sexual is simply not allowed to fell pretty - EVER. Can you imagine what that is like? To not be allowed to feel good? And can you imagine looking at every little things you do for fear that they will OUT you as a gay?

  That is abuse.

  But again, what infuriates me even more is that they dare to highly control the personal lives of gays, and yet, have no issues letting Mr. Pedophile go door to door. This is absolute none sense.
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Simon, I understand what your saying and from that angle, you are right, it is defensible. However, I see it as a major problem in that they vigorously protect the right of pedophiles to share in the ministry, and, yet, have no issue taking that right away from someone who "looks" gay.

  They want to start regulating who can share and who cannot? They better start with the pedophiles. Otherwise, this shows me that they are more terrified of what they look like rather then actually protecting kids!
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  No longer qualifies to share in the ministry?

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i heard that co's were provided with a talk outline in which people who dress and act too "gay" could eventually "no longer qualify to share in the ministry", should they not change the way they look!.

  has anyone else ever heard of any other reason for which someone would be disqualified from the ministry?.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  But seriously, do anyone know of any way to be disqualified from the ministry? Even pedophiles have the right to keep preaching...
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  No longer qualifies to share in the ministry?

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i heard that co's were provided with a talk outline in which people who dress and act too "gay" could eventually "no longer qualify to share in the ministry", should they not change the way they look!.

  has anyone else ever heard of any other reason for which someone would be disqualified from the ministry?.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  I heard that CO's were provided with a talk outline in which people who dress and act too "gay" could eventually "no longer qualify to share in the ministry", should they not change the way they look!

  Has anyone else ever heard of any other reason for which someone would be disqualified from the ministry?
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  Just curious

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember that every time when my father and i came home from the meeting, my mother (who stayed at home for my disabled brother) asked us "who was attending and who wasn't attending".. and then, we took some time to drink coffee and went through the list who was there and who wasn't.

  there after there was an opinion made why someone was absent and what this meant in relation with his strength of believe.. just curious, do you recognize this?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Yes. My family used to do that. And than, when I moved out of my parents house and struggled with meeting attendance myself... I stopped doing that.
  
  I would say that doing this also largely depends on the size of your congregation and the percentage of attendance. For instance, if 5 people are missing on a group of 75, you will easily know who they were. From there, it will be easy to gossip about the why... However, if there are 25 people missing on a congregation of 130.... you won't even be sure of who was there, who was late, who was on the phone, who left early, etc... So, gossiping will only be happening for people you actually carefully watched for.
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  Advance Directives and the JW Patient

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  advance directives are complex legal instruments and widely misunderstood by both physicians and their patients.

  with most jehovah's witnesses their is a significant level of misinformation, and in many cases coercion or undue influence exerted on the patient.

  physicians need to be aware of this and always meet privately with the patient to educate them and then ascertain their true wishes.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  When my wife gave birth, the doctor asked if she could give transfusion to the baby despite us being JWs. I answered: We officially don't agree, but we won't fight you if you do. We know you can simply take guardianship of our kid and there is absolutely nothing we can do against that. So, if you need to give blood, we won't resist at all.

  Now, if something were to happen to any body in my family, i'd say: Fill 'em up!