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  Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

  by raven in

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  so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

  anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

  and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  My sister, my mom, my cousin, my self, my friend, my dad, we ALL LIED! Some were to avoid the JC, some were in a JC faking their remorse. One way or another, lying worked.

  I know that lying sounds childish and even, without values. But when you are working against a system that requires two witnesses, I do believe it is the best route. Also, you may even use lying as the first option. The second being - the letter from your lawyer. You need to try everything.

  One thing for sure is that sending the lawyer letter before even trying to lying your way through it could take away some of the very best chances you may have.
  

  And yes, most elders are actually sloppy and don't care when it comes to people who left and don't go back to the hall. Probably that the only reason they are following up on it is because someone reported them. If you feed them something they can feed it back to the anonymous tipster. Than, they will be happy about this and go on living their lives.
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  Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

  anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

  and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  DJS: getting a lawyer is a 50% thing. If you got elders with some balls, they will know that a layer letter is, in fact, all barks and no bite. From my own experience and that of those I personally know, lying your way through it is closer to 75% chance. Oh, and by all means, don't let it go to a JC. JCs generally tend to establish repentance rather than guilt. 
  
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  Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

  anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

  and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  They don't find it in the public records? She can then make up a story where she was scammed by a false "civil servant" who told her she was in fact married and gave her the false record! By the way, I doubt that they would go through the trouble of fact checking things that much. Most elders don't even car that much.
  
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  Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

  anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

  and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  I can't imagine the JWs bringing you to court for fraud over made up wedding papers. And if they do, then, you obviously were under duress. So, I wouldn't worry about that.
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  Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

  anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

  and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Witness My Fury: Easy... all you have to do is lie again! Tell them you'll ask you're husband to send it. Take the email and take for ever to send it. If they still push.... simply photoshop one.
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  Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

  anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

  and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Raven, I assume that you do not want to be disfellowshiped otherwise, you wouldn't have tried to fade out. And I also assume that you are not intending to go back. Hence, I would seriously consider the idea of simply lying to them. Its much easier than you may think. And considering that these man are presently in hot pursuit of you for the sole purpose of taking your family away from you, I believe it is 100% justified.

  If you tell them that you are married, they may go back to your mom and ask her. If she tells the truth, you can tell them that you hadn't told her since you felt bad about not inviting her and the fact you got married on a spur of the moment.

  Than, anyone who meets you in the street will think that you are with your husband even if you left your current boyfriend and find another! And if they talk about you not living with him any more? Well, you're separated. And if they do realize you`re not with the same man? Well, the bastard cheated on you and you remarried!!

  Much much more easier than the "letter from my lawyer" route. Once again, people who want to take you away from your own family deserve no respect at all.
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  Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

  anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

  and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Just tell them that you're indeed with him and that you are married. Case closed.
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  Do you play the lottery?

  by Iamallcool in

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  for me, i have only purchased just one powerball ticket in my life, that was few years ago and i am thinking about buying some more in the near future.

  maybe i should push my luck even more this time.

  i am going to buy 10 tickets.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  By the way, I was reading an article about why gambling is bad.

  *** w11 3/1 p. 14 Does the Bible Condemn Gambling? ***
  This obviously is contrary to the Bible’s counsel that a Christian should “do hard work, doing with his hands what is good work, that he may have something to distribute to someone in need.” (Ephesians 4:28) And the apostle Paul specifically stated: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.” He added: “They should eat food they themselves earn.” (2 Thessalonians 3:10, 12) But might gambling be considered legitimate work?

  Today, WT forgot about those words. they built Bethels that need to be sustained by donations and distribute next to nothing to the ones in need. Paul here was bragging about sustaining himself.

  So, the argument they used to condemn Gambling is actually condemning them. 
  
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  Do you play the lottery?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
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  for me, i have only purchased just one powerball ticket in my life, that was few years ago and i am thinking about buying some more in the near future.

  maybe i should push my luck even more this time.

  i am going to buy 10 tickets.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  I buy one or two per month.To be honest, I see it as a type of charity. One that allows millions, including myself, the right to dream of "what if". And every time someone wins, I am happy I could be part in giving one person and his family the possibility of being financially independent. Having the ability for a no body to suddenly be part of the 1%.

  The odd thing is, I still don't believe it to be wrong even by WT definition as I don't trust an imaginary force. I don't see how this could be considered coveting.

  And yes, I will go to the casino once in a blue moon, however, than again, I have a set budget and never exceed it. To me, this is entertainment that is a little more expensive than spending an evening at the theatre.

  I'm not promoting gambling, for many, it can become a problem that ultimately leads to poor quality of life and even death. But so does over eating. We need balance.
  
  

  
  
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  How was your wedding?

  by BeautifulMind in

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  how was your wedding?

  did you have a jw wedding or something different?

  my wedding was not what either of us wanted at first, but it turned out very lovely.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  We got married at the kingdom hall and got a really good talk. Some of my "worldly" family still talk about that. In and out, we had a good wedding. Still, I regret one thing: I invited 150 JWs and 150 family members. Because of all the JWs, I could not invite 2 very close family members who were disfellowshiped. If I could turn back time, I would have a smaller wedding with family only and forget about the 150 JWs that don't even keep in touch with me today.