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  The Governing Body KNOWS what Russia is going to do.

  by pistolpete in

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  gb sanderson reminding the member what the russian war is all about.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/tng8ys/dont_even_know_what_to_say/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3.

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  JW leaders narcissistically teach they themselves are "spiritually" at the center of all major global events, and that the fate of the entire universe revolves around them.

  When I came to that realization, I awaken to the fact I was in a cult.

  I realized this when I visited Auschwitz. Millions of Jews murdered due to their race, millions of Catholics and protestants who resisted against the Nazis killed and murdered. But non of that matters to the Watchtower. What matters is the ~2,000 JWs who were murdered. Their sacrifice was certainly praise worthy and heroic, but they weren't the only ones who stood up for their values and against Hitler. Yet, when they talk about that period, they make it seem like they were the only righteous people in the world at that time.

  Prayers didn't stop Hitler, bombs, tanks, ships and guns used by courageous people did.
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  Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

  by doasthouwilt in

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  i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

  our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

  once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

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  lying to herself by disallowing her natural feelings

  Its not that simple. For instance, some people have a propension for violence. Its their natural inclination. They don't give into it cause they know its wrong. Its not because you don't give into natural feelings that you are lying to yourself. It simply means that you are keeping natural feelings under control to uphold your values.

  In the case of your girlfriend, she is either a) lying to herself by staying with the JWs who are adamant about values that she does not share or b) she is willfully breaking her own values. The second option is the scary one. When someone willfully breaks with their own values, then they are at the mercy of they desires and this could have disastrous consequences to them and their loved ones. I underlined willfully as this is what it is when someone does an action that violate their values over a long period of time. This is not the same as a one night stand where someone temporarily give in to their baser instincts; it happens! But not in the case of your lady. Sorry to be so blunt about this.
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  Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

  by doasthouwilt in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

  our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

  once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

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  I know you are looking for the consequences, but I believe you are asking the wrong question. Like you, I’m agnostic, however, you need to work with HER logic and perspective of the reality she has constructed. Assuming you are being intimate, that would mean that she is cheating on her God. God has set a rule which she is vehemently breaking with you. Considering that God is supposed to be more important than anything else, including you, what does that tell you about her integrity? Integrity is not a word owned by religion. It also applies in marriage. By the fact that she’s pioneering, I’d assume that she strongly believes in a large portion of the teachings and thus violating her conscience when she gets intimate with you. That shows a severe lack of respect for her core beliefs and values.

  You may believe that it is not such a big deal considering various Christian denominations where sexual immorality is tolerated, but for JWs, this is a very big deal, very big deal. Her ability to be doing this, without telling anyone, all the while pioneering is very telling.

  She is not in a good place at all right now. She either needs to come to terms with the fact that she is not a JW and live happily ever after with you or she needs to stop doing what she is doing with you, confess, do things right by her faith, God and Religion. These sorts of decisions/changes will require lots of work on her end and this will require lots of time.
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  Back to the Meetings. It's Offical!

  by pistolpete in

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  yep, the vacation is over, it's time to go to work------for free!

  😭😢😓😰😡.

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/.

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  I'm actually happy about this... I won't need to hear the meetings my parents listen to.
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  Do we need to step out of religion and into Christ

  by joe134cd in

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  i was just thinking?

  do we as people, who have been hurt by religion, need to refocus our position.

  do we need to step out of an organisation, to concentrate on a relationship .

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  step out of religion and into Christ

  Yep... I did this. That's how I left the JWs at first. Then I also stepped out of "Christ" and now appreciate the "historical" Jesus as I still quote him from time to time.
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  Did you ever have an “Olaf” moment.

  by Slidin Fast in

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  did your class mates queue up to have sex with you?

  it happened to olaf according to today’s wt.

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  I once saw a brother resist to the temptation at school, not take higher education and become a pioneer. Result? He ended up having sex with one of the pioneers... they got married and dealt with depression and cleaned offices for a living.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  The fact that he doesn't have the sense to simply step down of his own volition shows how arrogant and blind to reality he is. A rational person would have done it up-front off his own back, realizing that his behavior makes his involvement with such a project incompatible. Instead everything is always about him and and every project is to serve his self promotion.

  I'm actually happy of this outcome. It makes it easier to leave LE behind me. When someone acts from bad to worst, its much easier to leave them in the past and move on.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  If these chats / emails turn out to be false, who benefits?

  So, would Lloyd produce false screenshots and rumors about himself to drown out the things that are true? If Michael Scott did it in the office, I don't see why that wouldn't be a possibility for Lloyd. Afterall, he's been sitting for two months thinking about his options.
  
  
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  Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

  by Diogenesister in

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  as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

  you can read it here:.

  public statement of mark o’donnell.

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  It's funny though my 16 yr old sons were saying a few weeks ago how grossed out they were by some kid in their year going out with a girl in year 9 (14)😆🤣🤣Apparently "she's a kid"

  Well, 16 to 14 wouldn't be a problem for me...

  Still, I must say that I had a very hard time yesterday wrapping my mind around the fact that a country like Germany would leave laws open to enabling full-blown adults to engage in sexual activities with 14 years old. Had it been some developing country, a communist one, or dictatorship, I wouldn’t have been shocked. But Germany is like one of us! A civilized, modern, democratic county that is supposed to be ahead of the curve on questions like these.

  Had I still been a JW, I would have welcomed such news as further proof of this system’s wickedness and in desperate need of God’s intervention. No longer a believer, I am left with this feeling of distress of how bad humans are with no end in sight.

  For such laws to remain in place, the people in that country must be complacent about the issue. For instance, imagine that the father of a 14 year old beat another grown man to a pulp for grooming his daughter. This would result in news headlines in which the Dad would face justice for the attack while the perpetrator would have no consequences. People would react to this story and its absurdity. Repeat this scenario often enough and law makers would make it right by amending their laws to something alike to what is found in the UK, Canada and USA. Something that makes sense.

  My point is that this law is a shame that lays on the German people. Seeing things in that angle, I find it very distressing and it puts my faith in humanity in jeopardy.
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  Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

  you can read it here:.

  public statement of mark o’donnell.

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  I told you it wasn't open for debate. You since posted twice advocating that there's nothing wrong with a 30 year old man having sex with a 14 year old girl.

  One thing Nitty-Gritty said that caught my attention is that its not illegal in Germany. Here is what Wikipedia states on this, siting Germany's criminal code from 2012:

  The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual;

  I have to say that I find this sickening. From where I stand, I think Canada has it right. You go by age difference.

  In May 2008, the Canadian government passed a bill to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16, while creating a close-in-age exemption for sex between 14–15 year olds and partners less than 5 years older, and keeping an existing close-in-age clause for sex between 12–13 year olds and partners less than 2 years older.[3]

  I don't believe laws should be a barometer for morality. Regardless of what Germany thinks, a 30 year old trying to get it on with a 14 year old is sickening.