Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

StephaneLaliberte

Giordano, I have been on this forum for 9 years and this is the very first time that someone starts a thread by asking for money. Thus our desire for him to be properly identified.

If he does not want any physical help from members from this site (Money, food, shelter), than, he does not have to properly identify himself. We will be more than happy to continue providing useful counsels and emotional support.

On the other hand, if this kid (he lives with his parents) does need physical help, then, we want to make sure we are not taken for a ride. Now, how can we trust this guy from across the planet while allowing him to remain anonymous? At least, until he is properly disfellowshiped? I believe the most obvious way would be for an old timer of this site, a respected one, to be able to meet up with him and follow his case. Seriously, if he needs some money, I’ll be very happy to give him a 20. I just don’t want to be taken for a fool.

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

StephaneLaliberte

Can the 3 people you refer to simply come on this thread and write: "Yes, S&L did confirm who he is. He is not a troll."?

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

StephaneLaliberte

S&L, concerning you being an Elder despite an obvious lack of life experience, do not take it personal. It is a critical observation of the ever more common practice of the WT to assign such a role to youngsters. The word "Elder" ("Ancien" in French) obviously implies someone who has a great deal of experience and wisdom, and yet, we now see 23 year olds become "Elder".

Of course, we understand that the young Elders are especially used to provide talks and carry on administrative tasks while the older ones generally stay responsible for real matters such as shepherding calls, JCs, counselling, etc. Still, we can't help but believe that perhaps they should instead assign a greater level of responsibilities to Ministerial Servents rather than promoting young ones to "Elders".

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

StephaneLaliberte

S&L, you spend too much time replying to negative posts. You will get these until you confirm, who you are. You can do this with the old timers we have already named above. Please do so, it will make your life much easier on this site.

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

StephaneLaliberte

scared and lonely: If you can in fact validate your information through personal messages, not posts, with cofty, jookbeard, katewild, dozy or freddo, please do. Then ask them to come back to this thread and simply state if they do in fact trust you.

In terms of money, you may get help from charities and government organizations. However, if you are 1) male and 2) fit to work, and 3) single, money won't be a problem in a short time. Also, scripturally, you're Dad does not have the right to throw you out to the curb quickly. Tell him you need to find another job first, than leave. If he tries to force you out, don't hesitate to contact the elders and say loud and clear that your dad is not meeting up to his scriptural obligation. If they try to ignore you, go out to some of the JW friends you know and explain your situation. Yeah, I lost my JW friends to, but I know I have at least two that would have help me for a week or so - just to help me enough to find another work somewhere.

Trying to steal clients from your evil boss that fires you would not be a good idea. Don't mix religion and business. However, if you are a paid employee, report him to your local government authority, it is simply illigal to fire someone on religious grounds. Even better, call him up or visit him with a recorder. Have his confession on tap. Then, you will be able to take it much further.

Best wishes to you.

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WT March 15, 2016 - Kids pressured toward baptism again

by Designer Stubble in

the study wt of march 2016 is up on jw.org and is the standard article around this time of year...pressuring young kids to dedicate their lives to the organization again.

this wt will be studied during may, so just in time to pressure them into baptism at the regional conventions this summer.such articles really upset me, as the realization of how many young promising lives will be destroyed.

how many families will be broken up, when the child who got baptized as a minor (ages 6 and up are mentioned in the literature) decides as a young adult that his/her conscience no longer allows him/her to be part of such a destructive cult.

StephaneLaliberte

My God, I read through the article... I hadn't done that in a while... read a WT article. I had forgotten just how they speak. This is absolutely frightening. They interchange between Jehovah and WT back and forth just like there is no difference at all... and than, they have the balls to say that they don't presumptuously speak for him as prophets.

2nd study, Paragraph 18: "Remember, dedication involves a solemn promise to Jehovah to do his will forever, no matter what happens. Should you be afraid to make such a commitment? Not at all! Bear in mind that Jehovah has your best interests at heart, and he is “the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.”

If you suffered from a WT rule that later changed, can you honestly say that it came from God? And yet, if you do not obey when it is in effect, it is the same a rebelling against him! Otter none sense.

The plain truth is that you are dedicating yourself to 1) God and 2) The Watchtower. The article doesn't make it clear. It simply talks about dedication the God.

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WT March 15, 2016 - Kids pressured toward baptism again

by Designer Stubble in

the study wt of march 2016 is up on jw.org and is the standard article around this time of year...pressuring young kids to dedicate their lives to the organization again.

this wt will be studied during may, so just in time to pressure them into baptism at the regional conventions this summer.such articles really upset me, as the realization of how many young promising lives will be destroyed.

how many families will be broken up, when the child who got baptized as a minor (ages 6 and up are mentioned in the literature) decides as a young adult that his/her conscience no longer allows him/her to be part of such a destructive cult.

StephaneLaliberte

2nd study paragraph 15: as a dedicated and baptized Christian, you will stand before Jehovah on your own. Your service to him should not depend on others—not even your parents. Your holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion give evidence that you have made the truth your own

And that is why I have left the JWs... I have made the truth my own.

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The Pope Tells Trump He's Not A Christian

by minimus in

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this should be fun.

building a wall is unchristian.

i can't understand why the pope is getting involved in american politics.. poor donald..

StephaneLaliberte

On a Canadian radio station, I heard that he could win the primaries due to the division between the alternative candidates. This could mean that even if 70% of the people don't want him, he could still be elected.

For instance:
29% Cruz
28% Robio
8% Kasich
3% Carson
30% Donald trump!

I think the election process is flawed.

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Someone needs to tell "The Librarian" to stop feeding the apostate trolls.

by StarTrekAngel in

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StephaneLaliberte

You know, before I had kids, I could not understand WHY other male adults could even be interested in my kids. I remember, at the assembly hall, I would go to the bathroom and change my kid’s dippers and there would be those 50 something year old men who would walk by, look at my kid and their face would light up, smiling. As a new father, I couldn’t understand that and felt threatened by them.

Well, now that my kids are growing up, I have found myself doing the exact same thing as these man did back in the days: Looking at other’s kids, be kind, find them adorable, etc. I understand what these little ones feel, like, do. It brings me back a few years, when my own kids were their age – the good days.

And now, I feel frustrated. Frustrated that because of a few SOBs, normal guys like me cannot look at a kid without wondering if their mother or father is going to feel threatened by it. So, I tend to be overly cautious. I think this social barrier needs to be broken.

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How JW ignore the help Felicity Sneesby got from the "World"

by StephaneLaliberte in

lately, in the february broadcast program, at the 46 minutes mark, the watchtower provides the story of felicity sneesby.

this report focuses on how, despite her serious illness, she, along with her family, has always placed her faith in jehovah and how happy she is for being part of jehovah’s family.. i am shocked by how this jw’s report completely ignores the help that this family has received from this system of things through the years.

for instance, they slept at the ronald mcdonald house on at least 6 separate occasions and for long periods of time.

StephaneLaliberte

That is why there are so many religion... The bible contradicts itself all over its pages. One religion will choose one statement and twist the meaning of the other while another religion will choose the other statement and twist the meaning of the first one. No one wins at believing every words in the bible as inspired by God.

The only place where I find that the bible doesn't contradict itself is in the idea that the righteous ones will be rewarded, the righteous ones being those who show love and are obviously good people.

A great number of people from every nations, races, all over the planet are righteous; perhaps even billions! Unfortunately, JWs believe that 99.9% of the planet is deserving of eternal destruction for people don't believe the same thing they do. None sense.