Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

by doasthouwilt in

i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

StephaneLaliberte

I know you are looking for the consequences, but I believe you are asking the wrong question. Like you, I’m agnostic, however, you need to work with HER logic and perspective of the reality she has constructed. Assuming you are being intimate, that would mean that she is cheating on her God. God has set a rule which she is vehemently breaking with you. Considering that God is supposed to be more important than anything else, including you, what does that tell you about her integrity? Integrity is not a word owned by religion. It also applies in marriage. By the fact that she’s pioneering, I’d assume that she strongly believes in a large portion of the teachings and thus violating her conscience when she gets intimate with you. That shows a severe lack of respect for her core beliefs and values.

You may believe that it is not such a big deal considering various Christian denominations where sexual immorality is tolerated, but for JWs, this is a very big deal, very big deal. Her ability to be doing this, without telling anyone, all the while pioneering is very telling.

She is not in a good place at all right now. She either needs to come to terms with the fact that she is not a JW and live happily ever after with you or she needs to stop doing what she is doing with you, confess, do things right by her faith, God and Religion. These sorts of decisions/changes will require lots of work on her end and this will require lots of time.

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Back to the Meetings. It's Offical!

by pistolpete in

yep, the vacation is over, it's time to go to work------for free!

😭😢😓😰😡.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/.

StephaneLaliberte

I'm actually happy about this... I won't need to hear the meetings my parents listen to.

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Do we need to step out of religion and into Christ

by joe134cd in

i was just thinking?

do we as people, who have been hurt by religion, need to refocus our position.

do we need to step out of an organisation, to concentrate on a relationship .

StephaneLaliberte

step out of religion and into Christ

Yep... I did this. That's how I left the JWs at first. Then I also stepped out of "Christ" and now appreciate the "historical" Jesus as I still quote him from time to time.

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Did you ever have an “Olaf” moment.

by Slidin Fast in

did your class mates queue up to have sex with you?

it happened to olaf according to today’s wt.

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StephaneLaliberte

I once saw a brother resist to the temptation at school, not take higher education and become a pioneer. Result? He ended up having sex with one of the pioneers... they got married and dealt with depression and cleaned offices for a living.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

StephaneLaliberte

The fact that he doesn't have the sense to simply step down of his own volition shows how arrogant and blind to reality he is. A rational person would have done it up-front off his own back, realizing that his behavior makes his involvement with such a project incompatible. Instead everything is always about him and and every project is to serve his self promotion.

I'm actually happy of this outcome. It makes it easier to leave LE behind me. When someone acts from bad to worst, its much easier to leave them in the past and move on.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

StephaneLaliberte

If these chats / emails turn out to be false, who benefits?

So, would Lloyd produce false screenshots and rumors about himself to drown out the things that are true? If Michael Scott did it in the office, I don't see why that wouldn't be a possibility for Lloyd. Afterall, he's been sitting for two months thinking about his options.

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

StephaneLaliberte

It's funny though my 16 yr old sons were saying a few weeks ago how grossed out they were by some kid in their year going out with a girl in year 9 (14)😆🤣🤣Apparently "she's a kid"

Well, 16 to 14 wouldn't be a problem for me...

Still, I must say that I had a very hard time yesterday wrapping my mind around the fact that a country like Germany would leave laws open to enabling full-blown adults to engage in sexual activities with 14 years old. Had it been some developing country, a communist one, or dictatorship, I wouldn’t have been shocked. But Germany is like one of us! A civilized, modern, democratic county that is supposed to be ahead of the curve on questions like these.

Had I still been a JW, I would have welcomed such news as further proof of this system’s wickedness and in desperate need of God’s intervention. No longer a believer, I am left with this feeling of distress of how bad humans are with no end in sight.

For such laws to remain in place, the people in that country must be complacent about the issue. For instance, imagine that the father of a 14 year old beat another grown man to a pulp for grooming his daughter. This would result in news headlines in which the Dad would face justice for the attack while the perpetrator would have no consequences. People would react to this story and its absurdity. Repeat this scenario often enough and law makers would make it right by amending their laws to something alike to what is found in the UK, Canada and USA. Something that makes sense.

My point is that this law is a shame that lays on the German people. Seeing things in that angle, I find it very distressing and it puts my faith in humanity in jeopardy.

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

StephaneLaliberte

I told you it wasn't open for debate. You since posted twice advocating that there's nothing wrong with a 30 year old man having sex with a 14 year old girl.

One thing Nitty-Gritty said that caught my attention is that its not illegal in Germany. Here is what Wikipedia states on this, siting Germany's criminal code from 2012:

The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual;

I have to say that I find this sickening. From where I stand, I think Canada has it right. You go by age difference.

In May 2008, the Canadian government passed a bill to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16, while creating a close-in-age exemption for sex between 14–15 year olds and partners less than 5 years older, and keeping an existing close-in-age clause for sex between 12–13 year olds and partners less than 2 years older.[3]

I don't believe laws should be a barometer for morality. Regardless of what Germany thinks, a 30 year old trying to get it on with a 14 year old is sickening.

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

StephaneLaliberte

Disclaimer: This is not a comment about Lloyd, I don't know about Lloyd's history.

How bad is it for an adult male to fool around with a 14 year old. Well, its bad. Real bad. Like prison bad.

Now, there is the law and there is my opinion on morality. What I mean is, lets be honest, its generally not as bad as an adult having intercourse with prepubescent kids. For instance, I'd imagine I'd be fine with the death sentence for such pedophiles. But would I order the death of someone who fell in love with a teenager that never felt aggressed? I'd send him to jail for a year, but death? These cases can vary significantly from one victim to the next and this is why the law generally has rules such as sentencing from 1 year to 15 years, leaving the judge to decide.

Point is, I understand that Nitty Gritty is seeing a difference in the severity of the crime, but lets be clear here: getting it on with a teenager is still a crime.

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Australia's Religious Discrimination Act.

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

this is an interesting and intriguing new law (or, it will be if enacted in its present form).. quote: "the proposed new religious discrimination act is intended to prevent a person from being discriminated against on the basis of their religion.".

fair enough, but to get it through the house of representatives last night, the government accepted some changes.. the first draft (discussed last night) had a clause that may have impacted the rights of some gay and/or trans-sexual students at religious schools by allowing a religious school to expel such a student.

last night the government was forced to accept changes that removed that possibility.

StephaneLaliberte

I agree with Simon. Government shouldn't interfere there.

Where I disagree with Simon is that the Government should try to do something about the fact that groups preach people to shun the disfellowshipped ones and threaten their members with the same treatment if they don't do as they're told.

In any case, I don't believe this ruling would have any impact on the JWs. They don't allow heterosexuals to engage in sexual activities outside of marriage. Many heterosexuals in that religion are unable to find a mate and , as a result, end up spending the majority of their lives, if not its entirety, sexually repressed. Same goes with homosexuals. They are, by their teachings, condemned to the same lives as the heterosexuals who are unable to find a mate.

Sure, we all know this results in homophobia in the group and all, but their official teaching as it stands would likely hold in court.