Thanks for this great post Terry. I'm going to bookmark this post as it is obvious to me that I'll need much more time to thing about it then what I have this morning, but very, very interesting.
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A Fun Topic: BEFORE God
by Terry inyuh gotta start somewhere, right?.
big bang theory is not a theory of the creation of the universe, but rather a model of the history and evolution of the universe from its earliest moments.
it wasn't really until the time of st. augustine that the idea of "out of nothing" entered the discussion.. a reading of genesis doesn't force the "out of nothing" into it at all.. in fact, a kind of chaotic "something" was put into form - or - something out of "something", the way adam is formed from red mud and eve from the rib.
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2024-Declare-The-Good-News-Convention-Transcript!
by Atlantis in2024-declare-the-good-news-convention-transcript.. 387 pages long, bookmarked and searchable.. .
https://pdfupload.io/docs/97e30a94 .
grandpa!.
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StephaneLaliberte
Saturday Morning, page 6 is a prime example of their hypocrisy!
They give an example of a sister who died while giving birth, and people around assumed it was due to rejecting a blood transfusion. People judged and were aggressive with them until the doctors confirmed that the cause of death was something else; they didn't bother mentioning what it was. When people realized they were wrong about the JWs, they changed their minds, and some even became JWs themselves.
Here, they are clearly manipulating the information. They make it seem like those who are denouncing the Jehovah's Witnesses for the higher risk of maternal death are spreading harmful gossip! Hey, even the doctor said she died of something else!
In the meantime, doctors all over the world are denouncing that the JWs are indeed at greater risk.
For instance, the Singla et al. (2001) study concludes
Women who are Jehovah's Witnesses are at a 44-fold increased risk of maternal death,
If they truly believe that Jehovah is asking you to lay down your life in such a manner, then they shouldn't be afraid to present the facts to their followers.
"Yes brothers and sisters, many of us will die, many will grow up without their mothers, and many husbands will raise their children without their loved one by their side. But this is the sacrifice that Jehovah is asking of us in order to respect the sacredness that blood represents.
If they did this, I'd actually respect them for it. At least they'd be honest about it. Full-grown adults would be making that decision with all the facts in front of them. Instead, once in the hospital, professionals present them with these facts, and they don't believe it!
Even when it does happen, they still don't believe it!
For example, there's a sister that died that way in Quebec (Éloïse Dupuis). My dad was telling me that what we heard on the news were all lies. In fact, he saw the father of the victim give a testimony at a convention and confirmed it was all lies! Well, he believed this until I gave him a copy of the coroner's report. In that report, after carefully researching all the facts, the coroner concluded that she did, in fact, die, in agony, due to rejecting blood.
Obviously, that report was too damming for Eloise's family, so they chose to believe that the whole hospital and the coroner were wrong.
On the other hand, when a doctor reaches a conclusion they want, then they share it all over the world in their district convention!
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UK Blood Scandal inquiry findings
by ukpimo inhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-69025640.
how do you feel about this latest inquiry?
although we expect jehovah's witnesses to use this opportunity to say "we were right all this time", it's nonetheless a historic blow to the nhs.
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StephaneLaliberte
A certain percentage of people received infected blood over a 20 year period. Of those people, 10% died.
It doesn't explain
- the percentage of people that received infected blood vs total transfusions.
- how long the victims lived after receiving blood transfusions.
- how many would have died without blood transfusions.
- how many had co-mortality issues
Also, the report concluded that the disaster should have been largely avoided. The article doesn't quantify the word largely. 90 percent? 80 percent? Would this mean that the true number of victims (those who died) would be 2,400 instead of 3,000?
Of course its bad, its very bad! The victims deserve full reparations. However, we need to be realists here and acknowledge that medical progress has helped people in general live much longer than they ever did in the past. Obviously, it doesn't give NHS a free pass to lie and cover up things. That's why there must be consequences. Still, the severity of this situation can be measured and reported better than what I've seen from this article.
As for JW speakers all over the world, they without a doubt use this and make it sound like you will definitely get AIDS if you get a blood transfusion.
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Any news on JWs in the Ukraine?
by careful inthe war in the ukraine has been going on for 2+ years now, yet very little has been put forth by the org on how the witnesses are doing there.
especially of interest would be just how the org has implemented their relatively new 'alternative service is ok' policy in lieu of real military service in a place where warfare is actually occurring.
yet nothing is forthcoming from the gb on this matter, or any other issues, really.. does anyone know what's been going on the regarding the witnesses there?.
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StephaneLaliberte
I was raised in the JWs and I have a natural disdain for war. Unfortunately, there are times when war is inevitable. Here you have a foreign country invading yours, bombing your whole world, willing to kill your family, friends and neighbors and you're supposed to be pacifist about it? That doesn't make sense to me.
If I lived in Ukraine, I doubt that I'd be able to just walk away. Let's face it. There are just and unjust wars. In the end, I believe you can exercise your freedom of conscience. But to blindly be pacifist no matter the circumstances? Unless you're an actual priest, its not a sustainable position for normal citizens to take. Unfortunately, in wars like this, not taking a stand is in fact taking a position for the enemy.
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Glad to see someone in the WT Art Dept has a sense of humour! "Church Lady" spotted singing!
by WingCommander inyou can't make this shit up!
lol!!!!
someone over on reddit posted this illustration from some wt publication or website or whatever.
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StephaneLaliberte
A better suggestion would be to scrap those horrible horrid songs altogether.
One of the things that helped waking me and my wife up was when they changed the songs in 2012. Sure, there were some bad songs before then, but that year, they replaced and messed up some of the classics that we liked. I understood updating some of the lyrics, but the music itself? They obviously didn`t ask for permission or conducted trials, or something. They just did it and told us that they were "better". They didn't care what people really felt like about the songs, they instructed the rank and files to like them.
How can you force people to like a song over another? You can't! Unless you allow yourself to be brain-washed completely and thoroughly.
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2024-May-3rd-Announcement-and Transcripts!
by Atlantis in2024-05-may-03-announcement.
https://pdfupload.io/docs/faad3e3dtranscripts for 2024 governing body update #3englishhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/ce4ae1d8germanhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/3bf805be spanishhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/a4e3fd3b frenchhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/d37d5822 russianhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/71fe8f28 grandpa!
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StephaneLaliberte
Did the WT Biggies not imagine that such a change would open floodgates of problems? JW's are NOT accustomed to thinking for themselves.
Bang on! LOL
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WATCHTOWER response to LETTER about UN AFFILIATION
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/3y2guebfucm?si=aovdjk7szh1trpeq.
the following is half of the letter the watchtower send to a brother in 2021 as an explanation to why they still promote the united nations on their website ,it makes for an interesting reading.
the rest of the letter is on jwupdates.com or warch the video.
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StephaneLaliberte
I don't see anything big here. Honestly, even an apostate like myself find that they offered some very valid points.
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2024-May-3rd-Announcement-and Transcripts!
by Atlantis in2024-05-may-03-announcement.
https://pdfupload.io/docs/faad3e3dtranscripts for 2024 governing body update #3englishhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/ce4ae1d8germanhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/3bf805be spanishhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/a4e3fd3b frenchhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/d37d5822 russianhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/71fe8f28 grandpa!
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StephaneLaliberte
So they're walking back the tiny bit of freedom they offered the slaves regarding the dress code? - NotFormer
I`m sorry, but I read the transcript and, honestly, I don`t see where they are walking back. Can you offer a bit more precision?
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Glad to see someone in the WT Art Dept has a sense of humour! "Church Lady" spotted singing!
by WingCommander inyou can't make this shit up!
lol!!!!
someone over on reddit posted this illustration from some wt publication or website or whatever.
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StephaneLaliberte
First of all, this is really funny!
BUT, let's be honest, it could be a coincidence based on a solid reason: SNL's church lady is a caricature based on the fact that many women in churches resemble her. No style, single, short hair, bad-looking glasses. In fact, when I saw the picture before catching the SNL reference, I thought she looked the most natural and "belonging" there, contrary to the ones with their arms straight down. But then again, I guess that's what happens when you take away the songbooks? Still, I'd imagine I'd be tapping the beat with my hands, strumming with my fingers, doing something? Anyways.
Still very funny because, in the end, JWs try to be so different from other religions and end up being so similar to them that they fall within the stereotype of the church lady!
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Help to find brothers in Dubai
by victorflorez85 inhi brothers/sisters my name is victor, recently in move to dubai for job reasons, during the last 3 weeks i have been trying to find a congregation or brothers to contact with them because i would like to go the meetings and continue my personal study, but i hasn't success.. if anybody here have some contact in the united arab emirates or know somebody that have it, i will appreciate a lot that can help me to contact with them.. thank you!.
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StephaneLaliberte
The best advice I can give you is to go through proper channels: Contact the elders of your old congregation that knows you well so that they may contact bethel in your behalf and provide you with the assistance you need.
Though I don't agree with your religion and its beliefs, I'd fight for your right to believe it.
Its just sad that, like the Muslims, JWs themselves don't believe in freedom of religion: Anyone who was raised a JW (and likely got baptized) is subjected to shunning by their friend and family, that is, their whole social circle, when they stop believing in the religion of their parents.