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How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

by Guest with Questions in

many, like dawkins, think that religion is the root of all evil.

hypothetically, if all religion was eliminated and all people stopped believing how would you see the world in a few years?

with atheism on the rise do you think that society will improve or deteriorate?.

writetoknow

Auctally if you look at my early comments regarding indoctrination I quoted. directly from the Oxford Dictionary.

What I have continualy stated in this thread is very simple when people or group become intolerant and oppress another groups for whatever reason they are no better then the people they oppress. To me; and you are correct (not the dictionary) that takes a form of indoctrination.

Is the dictionary now the infaliable word of God? And to disagree with it a person should be condemn? Your statements are so agressive and intolerent over a defination in the holy dictionary.

Sound crazy doesn't it? Well I do have a point. The point; one can become self-righeous over science, religion, a dictionary, government, politics, law, business. People can lable and be intolerent over anything that they believe is factual. That is the human factor its not science, its not religion, its not politics, it not business but the human being that are in these that are the problem.

Open mind: accessible to new ideas; unprejudiced

There are some reasonable comments in this thread for both side of the this issue. There are some hate fill comments and labeling in this thread. That is human nature and this thread speak volumes that people cannot agree on most issues.

Can one make a new world based on goose stepping; anyone that disagrees is consider a threat and labled as stupid a retard to be done away with?

We live at a time where there is more knowledge then every in the history of mankind and yet there is more hatard and intolerent then every before. People trust nothing they have no respect for anything but they want respect -- why?

It simple every insitution of mankind is being exposed as corrupt. No one thinks a person make an statement without an agenda or a bad motive. People are killing people because they had a bad day or was picked on in school.

It interesting I've been labled all kinds of things in this thread it actually funny to me. I am serious, I don't belong to any organized religion haven't in some 30-years., I never disgreed that religion wasn't going to be done away with. I simply said I believe in God. From that statement all kinds of assumption have been made.

I not bitter at organized religion although I had many bad experience with organized groups. I have meant so really good people in those groups that show love and kindness and are open mind people. I have meant people that do not believe in God and they have been good and kind people as well. I have looked at both side of the issue and the truth is people that want religion gone from the earth have the same spirit as hateful people in religion there is not difference. They cannot see any truth but theirs. They have a personal prejudice that runs so deep they feel they have the educated right to lable religious people as evil.

If I knew a Christian that acted like that I would have nothing to do with them. I wouldn't want them as a friend or a neighbor. Who wants to live with a bigot? So all these people leaving religion as stated in this thread are coming togather in groups that act like Christian I would not be around and this is going to be a better place?

I made a statement that there is enough blame to go around. All parts of human society have been responsible for wars not just religion. So I states science has been all wars. What was meant? Jee, who devolped the atom bomb and gases and all this great killing stuff we use on each other. And most war or world domination has come from the nations that had the best fighting equipment knowledge/science invented those war tools. Now we know it not science fault but the men that misused that science but we have no tolerence for religion that greedy men misused.

Again making the point humans can justify anything behind a good cause. If greedy science devolped a drug the killed your family then its exposed as corrupt does that mean we should outlaw science?

But when you talk about such holy things as science and look at the real facts in how it has also been misused and corrupted for greed look at religious fevor in this thread. Does that not scare a you? That people could become so self-righteous over science? Or any subject?

What is it about mankind that they find a subject and exalt themselves over their fellowman? They listen to the fact other men have given through education and books judge from those infaliable words and destroy others. Can anyone take seriously people that are corruptable and put infaliable faith in their words in any area of human life. Perhaps we need to outlaw life next?

People hate religion because men have misused it. After it is gone then we will still have men misused the dictionary - I mean who knows?

So a new world order built on intolerance and oppression of religion does not address that main factor of human nature.

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How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

by Guest with Questions in

many, like dawkins, think that religion is the root of all evil.

hypothetically, if all religion was eliminated and all people stopped believing how would you see the world in a few years?

with atheism on the rise do you think that society will improve or deteriorate?.

writetoknow

Were getting closer! What you view as indoctrination isn't indoctrination to some people. What they veiw as your indoctrination isn't perhaps to you. Again every thing your stating on this thread in favor of not having religion and the arguments to support those beliefs can be used to support the beliefs of people that want religion.

I clearly realize what indoctrination is and there a thin line between teaching and going into indoctrination. I lived long enough to see many groups, nations claim not to be indoctrinated and do very evil things to other not of their group or nation.

There are many more religeous groups then Christianity the focus herein this tread seem to be on Christain not other groups. To state there is not a war against Christainity is not truthful. To state their is not a war between the two parties system of the United State is not truthful. Both are fighting for their beliefs in running the government it may not be define as physical violent but is a war.

The fact you label Christianty a danger = a threat - and a threat must be control or done away with. To state comments on this thread are same as all people supporting your veiws is not factual either. You may be moderating you statements, but there are many more people hatings religion. There is not a Christain group today that does not clearly understand their a war to do away with their religion. If laws are enact to take away a person religeous freedoms then indeed it is violence and oppression. If religion take away freedom by enacting their laws it is oppression and violence. That which you want away from and consider a danger. One can only hope when those laws are enacted people will obey the rule of law.

Again every group holds out a better more enlighten example to explain why their way are better. That is not new. Hilter did and we can go down the list of dictors in the last two thousand year and histroy will repeat itself. Our government does everyday. So again any group can make the facts support their belief system. That is the nature of man and it is their motives and agenda that are revealed in actions.

People holding your views are intolerant of religion they feel they know whats best and their willing to take steps up to violence and oppression to enforce their ways. There willing to do the exact same thing that was done to them by religion. And when they come to power that power will be used.

Yes, they will put a civil face on it through rationalized indoctrination of the masses any teachings opposed to that education as stated in this tread will be put down and oppressed because it is a threat and a danger again as stated in this tread. Indoctrination can be defined when it cannot understand or listen to another point of veiw in balance with it onw. Indoctrination is shown in the oppression of another group to uphold power or belief.

The facts are history repeats itself people use the same logic and tacts to come to power and they use the power to enforce their beliefs upon other groups. To look at the history of man and see all of the power changes and to deny the violence envoled for those changes to take place is a brainwashing of mass perplexity. Not to see the common thread that is the very nature of man and government is in itself the very danger you fear.

Religion became a part of that thread removing it from the tread does not change man nature it only replaces it with another group. That group is base on hate of another group. That group will use mass indoctrination to support its power freedom will come only if you and I obey those rules laws and teachings of that group.

And the history of mankind shows that people will not obey and they will still not be please and there will still be people wanting power and once having that power they will corrupt it and protect it and kill to keep it.

They will replace relgion with something that people can worship. Yes, worship that is the nature of man. No God, worship man, worship science, worship nature, worship the sun, worship government, worship leader, worship movie stars, etc,

It not going to be this nice little pie in the sky that now being talked about in this thread. So everybody is going to be enlighten and religion just going to go off into the sun set. T

Again this thread is about doing away with religion and the intolerance for it as stated herein. To believe religion is going to be done away with and a new paradise of freedom and peace for the human race will happen. Sound much like religion and much like indoctrination not base on fact. It sound that we are only changing gods both requires faith to believe in such unreality. When in reality what is happening one group is coming to power over another group the group coming power will enforce it beliefs system on the other group.

Now the other view being talked about on this tread is religion becomes so dangerous that it becomes a threat to the human race. Governments is then forced to deal with the world wide threat. People that already hold your views see it as a chance to do away with religion through government. They support oppresion of religion to protect themselves. That is the natrue of man.

That is a realisic view base on human experience and history and what happening through out the world right now and it can only get worst. It is almost word for word what the bilble states well happen written thousand of years ago.

If history right there will be freedom fighter coming out of the oppressed group and terriost killing in the name of their beliefs because of oppression of their ways and beliefs. A one world government herein advocated ( or one world thought) cannot happen without enforcement.

That enforcement will not produce a better world it will be an act of violence for protection. The distrust the oppression the massive suffering will not create a world of light and happiness. Because people are all a part of the same tread that connect eveything. When people judge and blame they are blaming and judging themselves.

It will be the last piece of mans history removed and then it will be soly man governing himself without religion. The religion man himself created and blames God for. What won't be missing is the human nature to blame others. Blaming is the blindness you fear it shuts done all thought and reasonable change - it promotes hate and distrust. If the bible is correct the start of the human race is one person blaming another then killing his brother over religeous views.

When religion is removed man will blame each other that is a fact of history.

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How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

by Guest with Questions in

many, like dawkins, think that religion is the root of all evil.

hypothetically, if all religion was eliminated and all people stopped believing how would you see the world in a few years?

with atheism on the rise do you think that society will improve or deteriorate?.

writetoknow

Once again your making blanket statements. I stated clearly that experience with god of God does not have to be Christian please re read my comments.

Your right it not about Christian their are many other religions that have hate and really don't care about your belief or mine for a better world. Please look at my comments.

I also stated that people without a personal spiritual experience will discredit people that have had one. What else can they do. Your beliefs that their is not a god is not superior over someone that thinks there is. You have no more proof that there is not a God. It is a personal judgment base on education that you got from someone else ideas.

You dislike the term indoctrination but you like using it against anyone that has religion I think this is the whole point of the issue. We are smart, better, and we know what best for the rest of this world so we can make harsh statements but we don't like them used against us.

Again read what indoctrination is you have termed it as the worst word in the world when in fact it is used on all levels from government to religion and in business. This is not my idea it is a fact of life.

One fact you over look as many people that move away from religion there are just as many and perhaps more that move into it. If you want to fair and you don't have an agenda want to prove there are two side to the issue the truth will be found some where in between.

Many people are moving away from organized religion as they are marriage and a number of other past tradations. But religion is not going away without violence and this violence does not have to come through war, but some of it will, It can be laws. If you are so foolish to think that the indoctrination you are advocating is not base on hate for religion then you simple are not wanting any facts. I personal see it and feel it in this thread as do many other people in real life.

The people advocating destroying religion hate it and they are indoctrinated from someone thinking. You don't like religion and you know exacty how you feel about it so there is no need to change what has been said in this tread let's not put a new face on it your feeling have been made know.

I simply stated from the start hate is not enlightment it is not new and it is not better then what you hate. And my friend it this is whole point and we just proved it by our comments in this tread. I will not change you and you will not change my thinking. There is a war going against religion and we all know it.

That war at some point will destroy religion and the end will be violent as it already has been in counties that destroy or out law religion in the past history. And most of the teaching advocated in this tread are the same teaching in part of those countries that have removed religion from their governmen there nothing new here - if your honest and open to seeing both sides of the story. And lastly that is what is scary people keep repeating the same misstakes and thinking it something new because they think their smart generation when in fact learn come first realizing that we are all humans and we will make the same misstakes if we don't learn from past generation.

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How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

by Guest with Questions in

many, like dawkins, think that religion is the root of all evil.

hypothetically, if all religion was eliminated and all people stopped believing how would you see the world in a few years?

with atheism on the rise do you think that society will improve or deteriorate?.

writetoknow

Well, I appreciate your reply. If people don't find peace within themselves there will be no peace. God has and does acted in peoples lives and a person that has never experience God can only think it is a fair tale myth and discredit the person through an intellectual agrument.

That is a fact, so the two will never see eye to eye. When you tell a person that the Spirit person they commune with is not real - they think you are as crazy as what you think they are. Weither that spirit being produces love or hate it is real to those people who have experience it.

It is a fact of the entire history of man. That is why my friend it won't go away without violence on both side because it is a passion issue that has rage since mans existent. The two cannot agree one is based on faith with a real life experience for that person or group the other is base on intellectual thinking that as real to that person or group.

Whatever, human or god or God if it is base on hate it is the same weither you tie religion, government, corportation, or personal too it. It produce indoctrination of its ideas. Because hate is arrogant and anyone that is arrogant has a heart of hate and that heart must remove all things they believes is causing them the hate/discomfort. Removal is done through indoctrination or war or personal violence.

I have personal know many people that live in the counties you tout as being superior to our country. I will tell its all in who you talk too and all in who you want to listen too. There is indoctrination on both sides as to who is superior.

The core facts of life; people are never happy they always want something better and they always hold out something or someone as having it better. When that does not happen because life is not fair they get angry.

Another fact of life people start with a good idea a good motive they want to help others the ideas grows and then protection of the ideas become more important then the reason it started that is corruption it will never go away and if someone thinks it will they have more faith then I claim to have in God.

Bottom line agreed or not any honest person know from life you cannot associate with any program, business, school, college, religion, government, person, job etc., that there is not an indoctrination and if that indoctrination is not obey there are consequents for not folowing the rules.

indoctrinate: teach, to accept ideas uncritically. train, instruct, discipline, brainwash, propagandize.

Freedom is then defined by living in harmony with those rules. It is freedom for some to destroy religion for other it is oppression. If you have personally found an indoctrination that works for you that is great. But to state or advocate it not another form of indoctrination is false. That is the exact standt religious groups teach and justify their beliefs because they think they are from God so they cannot be indoctrination.

If nations and people become so critical of religion that they destroy it then they are indoctrinated. to label a person or a group as retarded because it does not agree with a person ideas is indoctrination and that indoctrination gives that person a right intellectizes judgment of others or groups

Every parent on this earth puts their teachings on their children for good or bad. As time progress through education and other factors what was once right may be consider as bad. For another group to come along in time. Due to all the trials and errors of the past generations and to think that they are superior because of those errors sounds much to my ears as another form of religion.

It is humality to stand in time and then realize those errors and misstake of past generations may gives them the knowlegde to make things better. To be so agrroant to think that if a person lived in another time or country or place that they wouldn't have made those same misstake is sicking.

It was good people that went along with a bad idea that made Hilter. To think that we cannot make the same misstakes is far worst than professing faith in something. To equate a person faith to drugs is to state that any person that loved their country is on drugs. Any person that inforced the law is on drugs. Any person that believe in something greater then themselves is on drugs. To repeat a slogan is to be indoctrinated a slogan is simplistic veiw of human nature - that is how wars are started and won.

Every generation that lived on this earth thinks they are the ones and have all the answers that is human nature and each generation has hurt oppressed their felloman - religious or not that is a fact of man. To put such blind faith that man is going to solve all the problems of this world is the very thing you label indoctrination and retarded.

It is a simplistic veiw that does not accept facts or truth it is propagand and the motives behind is hate. That same hate religious people have for those who do not follow their beliefs. It is intolerant, prejudice, biggot, and it is an indoctrination of hate.

And that is the reason it will have success because that is the nature of man, but it won't be a new world for very long.

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How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

by Guest with Questions in

many, like dawkins, think that religion is the root of all evil.

hypothetically, if all religion was eliminated and all people stopped believing how would you see the world in a few years?

with atheism on the rise do you think that society will improve or deteriorate?.

writetoknow

Well then any form of teaching would be indoctrination according to your veiw. But your saying it has to be your form and you have a greater right to your ideas then anyone else.

I think you need to re-read my post it I agreed religion will be destroyed for it actions.

Perhaps the point that offends you is that I state the same self-rightous hatard you avocate creates the same self-righteous hate you want so badly to be done with

Your view judges all religion and your justifies destroying it off the earth - whats new and better about that?

Your willing to destroy and imprison people that a part of religion? Becasue they won't change their view to yours. Whats new about that?

And I am a retard?

Well the track records of nations that hate religion is no better but you know that it just doesn't fit into your doctrines . But we hate religion for twisting the truth to make their organization point. Whats new about this? So an organization mistreated you so you have nothing better but the same mistreatment for others. Whats new about that?

Lets see how does that work Jehovah's Witness oppress me they brain wash people. So I want all religion and oppress and destroy. That really something new!

I think it would have been a much better world if Hilter had won world war two! And I certainly think china that hates religion should rule the world. There are great nations to live under. Oh yes, Russia just one of there leader killing 70-million people in the name of a state god - well thats new and a better world.

Seems to me lots of blame to go around ain't that the point power no matter who has it corrupts and you know my friend that never going to change. And we know every person on this earth thinks they can do a better job so we will never run out of dictors wanting to stand up and enforce their ideas on others. And yes religion or otherwise they will oppress and kill to stay in power. Your world does not address that issue because no one on earth can address that issue through government.

The point is man cannot govern and rule over their fellow human without hurting them. So rather I like or not or you do God still wins. Weither you believe He exist or not because of bad religion or science or someone teachings that perverts God doesn't matter- He is not going away.

We can kill everyone professing faith burn all the books destroy the bible and bring new light to the world and God will still be there and He will still be right man that cannot govern himself without oppression. And he proves right if they destroy religion. We can cry about all we like and say that not fair God is making me worship Him and it don't matter. Guess what He has the power and who every has the power rules.

Somebody must have been pretty smart to stated all of this - who knows how many years ago and for it to come true. Sounds like we've been warned. It don't matter if I like it or not it does change God warning one bit. Doesn't matter if I corrupte that warning or disgree with it or blame God for giving it. He has the power.

Now if you can take every little child and indoctrinate them that there is no God. And disfellowship everyone that doesn't agree by death it just might work. There might not be a God to blame on earth for our problems. Do you think men will set up sciene as their new god or power or money or whatever. What is this thing with men anyway? They get read of one god and worship something else? Some man finds a new form of government and they build a staute and treat his words like a bible? And all of sudden their willing to kill other for their beliefs amazing isn't?

I wonder if there will be a state new age faith or if man will have a seperation between new age faith and state? I wonder if it will be taught in schools or outlawed? Or perhaps none of that will work perhaps the only faith that will be allowed will be in men or government or something? And how will they deal with violators of those rules?

But the really smart people in the know running things won't worship a man? We would all live in paradise and peace when the earth is fill with "no knowlege of God " and only smart people that knows whats best for mankind rules the rest of us.

May be they will finally create that elite super race and put the weak in gas chambers or something like that - right. But science has advance so far I sure we could just abort the ones that didn't meet the governments standards. Does that mean Government is playing - dare I say God?

Does that mean the perfect government on earth to ever exist after destruction of religion will destroy any that don't agree with them. Because they have tried the old ways and because they didn't work they now have the right to judge and kill all those oppose to their views. Well isn't that the way they get their start by killing anyone who disgrees. I am sure the will become much more benevolent after the destroy religion. Kind of sounds like man has come ful circle the things they hate about God they must know do? I wonder could it be that there is truth in those old fake words of Jesus Christ that what ever you judge will be your judgement. That what you put off on others will come back to you. I almost forgot if we do away with the bible and Christ words then that rule would no longer exist so everything would be perfect.

What a retard I am

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How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

by Guest with Questions in

many, like dawkins, think that religion is the root of all evil.

hypothetically, if all religion was eliminated and all people stopped believing how would you see the world in a few years?

with atheism on the rise do you think that society will improve or deteriorate?.

writetoknow

When a persons motives is hatard of religion no matter what is stated that person will find a way to discredit it. Strange to me that people that want open minded world with no religion are so willing to use closed minded beliefs to destroy religion.

It is also strange they are the people wanting to do away with a different in beliefs. The beliefs most people hold in this country, that is, people of faith died protecting those that hate religion. I wonder if the shoes was on the other foot if they would measure up in this better world.

It also seems strange that people would be label retarded if they believe in God. Or for that matter to hold a view that religious people are stupid because they believe in God. I must wonder what the person view of human being are. I would suggest not very good and isn't that the point this is the type of material one builds a new world on?

And I must also wonder where people come up with destruction is the correct way to fix problems that sound just like dare I say religious doctrine. When people learn to love and accept the world will become a better place. Is that likely to happen? Highly doubtful when the world is far less forgiving of different veiws.

It also strange to me to live long enough to actually watch this world as people have become more educated less forgiving towards faith. We live in a much scary place then 40 years ago it not better it more bitter it is more spoiled it has more hate. It a much more demanding rude world everywhere. People will kill people over nothing. All this sexual freedom is really something where what really important in life is for a educated woman to shake her ass. College students go wild on spring break. Wow we come along way baby

There is enough blame to go around on both sides if you really are a open minded fair person. I don't like organized religion either, but I been in enough corporations and sales teams and seen the same us an them religious fevor enough for a life time.

Beliefs are beliefs long before christainty people were killing each other in our time in our times as well.

The issues isn't about all that now is it. Its about people that say some conduct is not correct according to the bible teachings. And we know that been the issue from the start of the human race and it will always be with us. There will be some one either religion or a government or a group by another name and they will enforce their beliefs and it will go to the point of oppression as it always does.

Thats what happens when people have freedom of choice and self-government. When people that have the power don't want religion they will use that power. People that have been enslave it should be of no real suprize often enslave some other group. It is power that corrupts and we know each generation thinks they have a handled on it that their way is new better and they have the right to enforce it on others that is what government is all about.

Religion will be done away with because it has done some really sick things. However, it is made up of humans and we must never forget we are all part of that family and we all share in some of that blame. Some of the worst people I have meant in this life had no belief in God. Some of the worst people I have meant in this life had religion. But I never meant a person that has loves and respect for all beliefs to be a bad person - yet..

I am one of those retards... I find it equally incrediable that people don't believe there is a God. However, I would never endorce any group that would suggest that we should do away with these people. Religion has take the position did/has it made it a better world? And if people that have been oppressed can't become better people more enlighten they are not better but the same as those they destroy.

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How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

by Guest with Questions in

many, like dawkins, think that religion is the root of all evil.

hypothetically, if all religion was eliminated and all people stopped believing how would you see the world in a few years?

with atheism on the rise do you think that society will improve or deteriorate?.

writetoknow

I don't understand your point about Jehovah being fired? I don't think he had anything to do with the teaching of mans organization. No more then a scientist finding a solution to one of mans worst illness and a group sicko steal it and uses it to make a virus to kill millions of people.

That about like saying all science is bad because it created the nucler bomb. The honesty of science hasn't been a light to the world either. it has and is sold for the highest price during war for greed. And sciene has an equally good and bad reputation as does religion. Science has been the power been behind all wars of mankind and who every has the best science wins the world.

Man without God is no better then man with God if he does not love God's commandments.

There is no government that has existed on earth that does not have rules and laws and those laws always become oppressive just like Jehovah's Witnesses became a oppressive organization over many years.

People that will destroy religion and band it from the earth are no less controling or oppressive then the religion they are destroying. Controling thought in any form is the exact oppression your trying toget away from. Millions of people live under oppressive religion that hates the rest of the world and would like to destroy any belief that isn't theirs they are oppressive people. Many govnenments that have no belief in God or Christ in modern time are extremely oppressive to their people.

How does hate create less hate? How does control create less control? How does blaming create less blaming? You see your missing the point people don't seperate religion from God and Faith they blame God for the religions of this earth. Just like you do by firing Jehovah. So with religion gone it does not mean people will have more faith. No they will not be allowed to have faith or practice their faith in any form.

So we have come full circle man says I can rule my life better then God can rule me. God says ok then do it your way. Mans says God help me because I made a mess of things. God helps man and gives him his Son. Man takes God's Sons words builds his governments and empires and blames God for giving him his Son and his word. God says that not the purpose of my Son or his word. Man says we think it is we know better and we hate you for oppressing us

Parent says to a child that has come of age I don't like what your doing that not what I taught you it is going to ruin your life. Child says I know better. Parent says ok I love you enough to let you try your own way. Child fines out mom was right after ruining their life. Instead of saying they were wrong child blames mom and hates her because mom didn't stop her from doing it in the first place.

God is the bloody rage people wipe their hands on for all their problems. What will happen when their is no more bloody rag to wipe their hands on. Well man was created in God's imagine ... who's next?

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How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

by Guest with Questions in

many, like dawkins, think that religion is the root of all evil.

hypothetically, if all religion was eliminated and all people stopped believing how would you see the world in a few years?

with atheism on the rise do you think that society will improve or deteriorate?.

writetoknow

Well we may see it! There is a greater and greater push year to year to do away with religion. If you study the history of the world you will find that nations that become Christain provided more freedom and rights to people then those that are not Christian nations.

Yet, as we know none of them Christain or otherwise have not been oppressive in some ways.

Yes, they will find other reasons to kill each other politics, boaders, race and so on this is the history of man.

I agree religion will be gone wipe off the earh just as the bible states and for a short time people will rejoice in its destruction.

People that kill others find when the thing they hate is gone there is still hate but they have no one to project it on.

And that's the point Christ was not about changing politics, religion, groups, nations, he was about changing the persons. Religion or faith is not about physical it is about spirit and truth that starts with each person.

There was no physical place that God choose on this earth for his spirit to dwell but people. His spirit is love. When groups do not have God's spirit they do not have Gods love so they act like all groups without God's love "beast".

Religions do bad, on the other hand, millions of people that have faith in God and Christ do many good works throughout the world and provide physical and moral help to billions.

When that is wipe off the earth (and it will be) there will be know one to blame, no place to defer hate, no one to point fingers at, One can no longer blame God for all the mess on earth. (It will be mans own hate that wipes it off the earth) No place to get ready of sin anymore no one to look down on.

Each person will have to look to their humanly organization for help and protection their corporation, their government. The practice of faith will not be allowed and will be hated. Choice will gone, freedom of thought will not be allowed. This discussion will not be allowed...

And the better world without religion will exist only man made ideas and groups. Man will then blame the man made governments with the same hate they had for man made faith.

Jehovahs Witnesses were not taught to love their fellowman as themselves. They have been taught to hate false religion. So when they find their org. was false religion as well what to they have but hate for all religion.

The point is 99% of all religion from the start of man are man made ideas mixed with some truth. So the end of all religion is man destroying his own tower that he built and blaming God for building it.

So if man builds another tower without religion will it be better one, kinder, more loving, smarter, fair, more just or will it be the same old same old with a new face and a bad heart?

We have all the answers we taught them God will cut a stone from a mountain not on earth and it will hit all man made mountains(goverments represent mans ideas apart from God - self rule) and grow into a mountain that fills the earth with God's Kingdom

Man ways are corrupt they have always been corrupt he cannot govern himself without hurting others. How can a person take a little leaven and put into a new lump and not have the same mess?

It is strange blind hate towards religion is exactly what God said would happen 2000 years ago. And isn't it amazing that it was told man would make himself a god in the last times and every thing that he had built would become exposes as a fraud and people would lose faith in everything and distrust would be the order of the day.

We should take the knowledge we have of God and not assume God was wrong but men that built this false religion that we were associated with were. And actually find out the truth of God. Isn't strange the very judgments we hoped for all false religion has come up on first? And most of the people in false religion have more faith that God will do the right thing then we do?

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Where does the individual Jehovah's Witness end and the Organization begin?

by rassillon in

i am in search of comments on how best to explain the concept.

when talking to witnesses it is difficult to get them to accept the organization is responsible for anything.

the automatic response is to defer any error to an individual leaving the organization free from any blame.. it is like the organization is a powdered doughnut.

writetoknow

We trend to get bogged down into the little things instead of seeing the big picture!

Does God have two sets of scales for justices one for the JW's and one for false reglion (what they call Babylon the Great)?

Where does God's judgments start first God's house or false reglion? And why?

If people do not come out of their false religion will they be held accountable individually or as a group? Read about the seven congregations in Rev.

If a religion has any false teachings and we do not renouces those teaching our we held accountable by God on judgment day? (you will get some strange answers here)

Is God parital, that is, favoring one person or group over another - applying differents standards of fairness to one and not the other?

So if at some point Jehovah's Witnesses taught things that are not correct would you be open minded/ fair enough to apply the same standard of judgement that your group applies to all other relgions that are not Jehovah's Witnesses?

What would Jehovah's Witnesses tell me if I said: I will not be held accountable for the teachings of my religion because the leaders of my group make those teachings and they are closer to God then me?

I know God will direct those men to make the correct changes over time so I am safe because I associtate with this group.

In most cases they still won't be that open minded; most witnesses don't understand that God's judgment starts first with his house then to others. That our judgment will be individual as well as community.

But if your directed to one that has issue over the recent changes in the org doctrine and they know of ones that were mistreated because of those changes then fairness will be more important then arguing doctrine. People will argue the side of something to blindness as long as they are agruing they are not listening or thinking they are trying to find the best answer to refute you agrument.

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IDENTITY=Behavior There are no CAUSELESS crimes or innocent evils

by Terry in

we often hear it said: love the sinner, but; hate the sin.. we try and reform the child molester.

we put career criminals through rehabiliation.

we let the drunk driver off with a fine and a warning over and over until an innocent family is wiped out.. why separate the deed from the doer?

writetoknow

Well thank you.

I think most people reading this thread would conclude that you were stating that people cannot change.

Obession: persistent idea or thought dominating a persons mind.

I haven't thought about this subject in years. If I were to have an obession it wouldn't be this subject for sure - lifes to short and we all know that.

I accepted it as a fact of life people do change so I don't think about it anymore then if the sun will come up tomorrow or if a tree is a tree. However, your thread brought it to mine again

So I do stand corrected