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  Watchtower Aug 1st gives out conflicting signals

  by ozziepost in

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  2. bible

  heard the expression "having a bet each way"?

  you know how it goes, someone doesn't want to give offense or get "offside" with readers, colleagues etc so they try and agree with two conflicting arguments simultaneously.

  the watchtower wouldn't do that, would it?

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  Flip

  Thanks for posting those illustrations Nem', they're quite interesting and say a great deal.

  The football (soccer) ball is one of the most popular symbols in the world outside of most of North America.

  The most likely reason for the lack of popularity due to weak marketing of the sport in North America is because the lack of timeouts during a soccer game is not conducive to Western commercial televisions conventional methods of revenue generation as found, for example, with the endless stoppages in play during baseball, American football (not soccer) and basketball games ... I digress, sorry.

  Portraying images of boys handling footballs, and wearing football clothing in paradise must be an excellent market tool.

  The posted pictures appear to be designed to entice non-western or third-world children into becoming interested in an Organizations publications that promises to allow them to play out their fantasies, acting out on one of the few outlets they can afford to enjoy (next to copulating, which costs nothing in admission fees) in an environment that is most likely to be an improvement over their current situation.

  Also, the images make the Organization appear socially and culturally acceptable through out a large portion of the world because regardless of how corrupt the government that grants WTBTS sales authorization, even third-world bureaucrats love their football (soccer).

  This type of WTBTS sales marketing appears to be of the type that would be very effectivewhich is understandable, after all Brooklyn is relatively close to Madison Avenue. is it not.

  Edited by - Flip on 31 July 2002 0:55:10

  Edited by - Flip on 31 July 2002 0:56:18
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  New digital camera :-D

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ooo!

  ooo!

  i just got a new digital camera!

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  Lawn? it actually looks like Don King's other toupee!
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  My New Puppy

  by Bendrr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (fluff advisory: yadda yadda yadda).

  http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7cfd2c28/bc/yahoo!+photo+album/trouble+the+puppy.jpg?bcjpbb9akc8pwoyl.

  all together now: awwwwww!

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  Flip

  BTW, It's good to see you posting again.

  LOL, Thanks Doug. I'm not as prolific a poster as most, thank goodness ...but the talent of everyone else here, in the words of Micheal Corleone, "...they keep dragging me back in!"
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  Why are people racist?

  by MrMoe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  something on the song thread that i posted, song by tu pac, got me to thinking about racisim.

  why do people discriminate against people that have different color skin?

  i understand it is a learned response, but my "elder" father is very racist... and this is how i was raised.. i don't get it.

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  Flip

  Why are people racist?

  The same reasons some American religions cherish their groups perception of 'Unity'.

  Anyone who does not appear to conform in look, spoken word and act, is a threat to the groups efficiency management and ultimately the contamination of the groups perceived stability.

  Why do you think the religious organizations centered in Brooklyn, New York put so much emphesis on conformity; so management can quickly identify the unacceptable.
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  Why do WOMEN remain Believers???

  by JT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/women.html .

  the following is merely my opinion on the issue and while some may disagree and that is their right im sure that there are those who will fully understand what i am talking about- (aint it nice to be able to disagree and not be called wicked smile).

  since leaving wt and looking back i have been often wondered and it has.

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  JT, very educational thread!

  Speaking of priorities, ever noticed that the only non-gender specific, Biblical teaching task female Jehovahs Witnesses have complete autonomy, or at least given a level playing field as the leaders (males) of the congregation, is donating personal cash for the Watchtower and Awake! then dispersing publications in Laundromats and Hospital waiting rooms, etc. as often as possible for the Societies Board of Directors.
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  My New Puppy

  by Bendrr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (fluff advisory: yadda yadda yadda).

  http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7cfd2c28/bc/yahoo!+photo+album/trouble+the+puppy.jpg?bcjpbb9akc8pwoyl.

  all together now: awwwwww!

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  Here comes Trouble!

  Fark, youre beginning to sound like ALF.

  Ive had a soft spot for dogs ever since I was introduced to the WTBTS childrens flagship book Paradise Lost piece of crap that depicted a child and her puppy being swallowed up by an earthquakes crevasse.

  A very astute move on the part of the WTBTS board of directors to sear that image into my brain, its generated a source of untold wealth for them during my tenure as a Jehovahs Witnesses.

  Notice I didnt write, one of Jehovahs Witnesses as that assumes that there actually is a WTBTS' version of a Jehovah.
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  Wait on....

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  nothing helps a religion weasel out of the hot seat better than a good arsenal of "back door" words.

  the ultimate "back door" expression invented by the watchtower printing corporation is "wait on jehovah" and the purpose of this post is to examine that expression with a microscope.. this expression is always brought out and touted when things are totally screwed-up in watchtowerworld.

  "we have a major problem with covering up and enabling pedophiles and expelling the children who are raped by them.

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  Flip

  Ive just had the priviledge of suffering a mini-Farkelization. So I think a mini ' I stand corrected ' is in order.

  Also, Elsewhere a picture really is worth a thousand words, well done!

  Edited by - Flip on 28 July 2002 16:15:50
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  Wait on....

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  nothing helps a religion weasel out of the hot seat better than a good arsenal of "back door" words.

  the ultimate "back door" expression invented by the watchtower printing corporation is "wait on jehovah" and the purpose of this post is to examine that expression with a microscope.. this expression is always brought out and touted when things are totally screwed-up in watchtowerworld.

  "we have a major problem with covering up and enabling pedophiles and expelling the children who are raped by them.

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  But, by waiting on Jehovah is an action that specifically preserves Unity and the financial integrity of the Organization.

  Over the last hundred years, every difficulty either of a personal or bureaucratic nature that has occurred within the Society has, given enough time, been successfully solved, at least as far as the Corporation is concerned, once the problem has left and/or been forgotten.
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  Email from a Witness about the site

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would just like to say that i have spent hours reading material on this web site.

  just would like to also say that i am still one of jehovah's witnesses.

  if jehovah's witnesses are truly distructive and to familys as well then i would like to know please, how on earth is the association of brothers going to stay together, if it is really destructive?

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  What really are your true motives, is it to exploit those that have been hurt and sell books and videos.

  For clarification, I think the '...shady, grinning, self-righteous sneak' who sent the email to Simon is referring to the book store advertisements and M/C-Visa donation flags located in the upper right hand corner and not the tax exempt books, videos, CDs, magazines and donation requests copiously produced for cash over decades by virtually free WTBTS labor, which funds the acquisition of expansive real estate and financial holdings, rivaling the best American businesses utilizing generous government religious concessions keeps for their own.

  Not that I have any personal disagreement with people and institutions who try to make a 'buck' while supporting the surrounding community! Its the under-the-rug swept hurting or destroying of peoples lives and relationships, interpretively deemed Biblically necessary, during an Organization or Societies accumulation of wealth and visual status.
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  Soooo not out! Talking to an ex-jw...

  by detective in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well, i damn near put my foot in it this evening.

  a friend of mine who is well aware of my continuing friendship with a jw (now allegedly ex-jw) told me i should meet an ex-jw that he knows.

  i felt pretty excited about meeting an ex-jw face to face as i've longed for a chance to speak honestly with someone who knows the organization well and my friend isn't ready to really discuss the issues yet.

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  Flip

  I suspect its difficult, more often than not, having an objective discussion with someone who's wearing a straight-jacket.

  Edited by - Flip on 27 July 2002 2:6:10