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  Ya'll dont believe in God?

  by flower in

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  i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

  i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

  this is disturbing!

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  mommy, you said.."If your outlook is true then christians would not even have to try to live any type of lifestyle. They could murder, steal, lie etc. Why do they not? Because as I said, in the back of your mind you know that you are accountable for your actions, and your afterlife depends on it."

  see i dont get why you and others think that we are only doing good because in the back of our minds we have to answer to god. you say that you do good because you feel the desire and want to, why would the same not be true of us? why would we be murderous theives if we believe we are already saved? i know a lot of people who believe whole heartedly that they are saved by grace through faith in God..not works and they are still genuinely good people.

  if i understand your above quote correctly i totally disagree.

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  Ya'll dont believe in God?

  by flower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

  i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

  this is disturbing!

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  Elsewhere,

  makes sense but doesnt make sense at the same time. the belief system is part of the person. without it they wouldnt be that same person.

  crownboy, i disagree partially. i no longer believe that i will be killed if i do or dont do something. a lot of what you said about christians is actually just the jw way of thinking...not true christianity. i dont subscribe to the rules anymore. i do what i feel is right. if i want to have premarital sex i would not feel that god is going to turn his back on me because of it. if i find a bag of unmarked dollar bills i am not going to think god is displeased if i use it to pay my bills or whatever. i think you are mistaken in thinking that christians are only good out of fear of god. yes i want to please god but i do good because i 'want' to. i dont always walk around thinking 'hey god look, did you see that? i was just really nice to that old lady'.

  flower
  hmm i dont think i would keep the money now that i think about it but its not cause of God ;)
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  Ya'll dont believe in God?

  by flower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

  i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

  this is disturbing!

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  thanks rochelle..

  mommy,- that makes sense to me. what do you think about people who lived like they dont have a conscience and dont care about other people and were hurtful and immoral, do you think that them becoming christians (or whatever religion) and then changing their lives to follow certain moral standards simply out of fear of God is a good thing or bad thing? is it possible for someone like that (an immoral seemingly heartless person) to 'develop' a conscience although they dont believe in God? i know i dont have much knowledge but whenever i hear of a lifelong criminal in prison changing their lives and doing good its almost always because they say they 'found God' or God is in some way involved in their change. now they want to please God and therefore they turn their life around. i wonder if that can happen to someone just because their conscience clicks on and says these things are wrong, or maybe they knew it all along and started to listen and do good because it is in their hearts.

  guess it doesnt really matter but just thinking out loud.

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  Philly Phest - I

  by Mister Biggs in

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  okay.. i apologize if this is too last minute for everyone who is interested in coming, but it appears that this saturday evening is a good time (for most of you) to have our first annual philly phest.. holler if you are interested in attending and your name is not on the list below.

  however, if your name is on the list below, please confirm if you can or cannot attend.

  flower has been kind enough to offer herself in setting the reservations at a seafood restaurant.

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  I've made reservations for 7p so let me know if that needs to change. I'll email you the restaurant info Biggs in a bit. I'd feel better if it wasnt posted to the whole world.

  lol @ the kobe comment. that was great the way they boo'd him. actually i have nothing against him but philly is a tough crowd especially if you turn your back on them to be a hollywood type.

  ashi,
  looking forward to seeing you at 1a

  flower
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  Y'All Don't Believe in God--PART 2

  by teenyuck in

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  flower, you need to wake up and realize christians are not the only religion.

  i guess one thing i dont understand is where an athiest or agnostic sets their limits.

  i feel like if i didnt have a christian conscience that i may not be able to differentiate between what is right and wrong.

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  i apologized on the other thread. i didnt mean to be hurtful or judgemental or rude or anything like that. i just wasnt thinking and i'm sorry. i only was trying to figure things out. i didnt mean to insult you but i did and i'm sorry again..to all the people who found what i said hurtful.

  i dont think i am better than anyone else..christian or otherwise.

  this thread hurts cause i didnt mean to do it.

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  Ya'll dont believe in God?

  by flower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

  i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

  this is disturbing!

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  puffsrule,

  i'm really sorry. i honestly didnt think about it from your view when i was writing that and i should have. i was just trying to understand. i didnt mean that everyone who is athiest has no moral boundaries and is bad. i just didnt know what it is that limits athiests. i know that everyone has a conscience but i know a lot of people dont listen to it or some say that something is ok as long as no one gets hurt. i dont know how to express what i want to know without hurting someones feelings i guess. but i have met a lot of people here and gotten to know some over the past couple months and i know that they are good..i only just found out that certain ones are athiests but i still think they are good..i just dont understand thats all.

  sorry again i really dont think i am better than anyone

  flower
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  Ya'll dont believe in God?

  by flower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

  i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

  this is disturbing!

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  larc,

  thanks for sharing your thoughts. you make a lot of sense. actually i didnt say that athiests/agnostics attack believers. i did say that i have seen athiests together making fun of or mocking God or the idea of a God. but i admit that once i stated that i was uncomfortable with that they didnt do it anymore. you are right its about respect..giving and recieving. 'do unto others..' is a philosophy to live by whether we believe or not.

  i guess one thing i dont understand is where an athiest or agnostic sets their limits. i feel like if i didnt have a christian conscience that i may not be able to differentiate between what is right and wrong.

  when deciding what is acceptable behavior in life i refer to my christian conscience. i know murder is wrong..everyone does. but is stealing just as blatanly wrong to everyone...even athiests? is lying wrong to someone who doesnt believe in God? what about things like beastiality? i mean what is the rule of thumb..as long as no one gets hurt then anything and everything goes in life? i think if i was an athiest i might think that if i can steal from some billion dollar company or rich person who doesnt need it and get away with it scott free i would do it because no one is getting hurt. but as a christian my conscience tells me that its wrong and that God would not approve.

  it sounds like as a christian i am still living my life as if under the watchful eye of God and still trying to please him and gain his approval. but on the other hand i dont feel forced to do good things or be good anymore..i do it because i want to. i really do want to but then sometimes i'm not good and i beat myself up over it still. am i screwed up enough or what? LOL.

  it helps to discuss it with people..thanks all.

  flower
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  Ya'll dont believe in God?

  by flower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

  i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

  this is disturbing!

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  abaddon,

  wow good answers all. really good..thanks! i stated this one wrong.." Being out of the org and free to be friends with or love or marry whomever we choose is so wonderful, but now we still have restrictions". what i was saying is that now we still are not free to do those things because 'belief or non belief' is still in the way and restricts who we can be with. but i dont know if i still feel that way after reading some of the responses. perhaps it is possible to put that aside just like i would put it aside if i was with someone who was of a different religion. you and your gf seem to have done it and puffsrule and her dh. i guess love prevails if it is true love.

  ashitaka,
  thanks that is probably right.

  puffsrule,
  wow thanks for sharing your story. i guess it is possible to love each other and be happy together then. thats comforting to know.

  rem,
  thanks for the response and the book suggestions.
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  Ya'll dont believe in God?

  by flower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

  i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

  this is disturbing!

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  rochelle,

  cool! i like your way of thinking. thanks for the post. i did surf through some of your websites a while back. i have to say that while i may not believe the same things you do or even understand much of it i have to admit that you have a real talent. i want to be a writer myself someday...dont think i could write that though but more power to you for being comfortable enough with yourself to do it. i admire that so much!

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  Ya'll dont believe in God?

  by flower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

  i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

  this is disturbing!

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  mommy,

  lol-my grandmother was from the south but i've never lived there and neither did my parents for long yet i still have picked that up. but sometimes i say 'you guys' which i think is a east coast thing.

  anyway, wow! thanks for responding. its amazing to me what you said about yourself but it makes me think for sure. i'm going to read those links you posted when i have more time. you're right i shouldnt have added that comment about what i didnt want to hear. i think i just need a mental break though for a while before i tackle this subject too much more. my brain is all screwed up since finding out the truth and i'm only just starting to figure things out. thanks again

  flower