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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

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  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  flower

  Leo, point taken, I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one.

  I still dont recognize ebonics as a language even by this definition for two reasons.

  One, it is not a geographical language spoken by a group of people in a particular region like scottish english or southern english. Its spoken by uneducated people everywhere in this country. Or it is spoken by educated people all over who just speak more casually when they are not in a professional situation which is fine.

  Second, how can we call it Black or African American Vernacular English when educated, successful, professional Black Americans do not even understand let alone speak it? And I dont mean successful sports players or entertainers. I mean doctors, lawyers, ceos ...professionals. I highly doubt you will hear any of them speak this way even at home.

  Black is race not a nationality. Like Asian, Caucasian, Hispanic ect. They all speak the language of the region they happen to come from. That people who have darker skin speak their own language is absurd to me and not at all comparable to regional languages.

  Either way Cosbys point is one we both agree on. These people need to learn standard english if they want even a chance at success. It may not get them the American dream but unless they can sing, dance, or play sports extremely well they have no shot at any dream without learning english.
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  How Does It Feel Knowing That You Were Once A Member Of A Cult???

  by minimus in

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  does it bother you?

  the more i think about it---the angrier i get.

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  flower

  This is going to sound wierd but after two years or so I am starting to think of my 29 years or so as a jw as a positive experience.

  I honestly believe it gives me an advantage over people who grew up pampered and spoiled by loving, supportive, free thinking families. I learned life lessons that many other people dont learn till they are old and gray.

  I may not have recognized the importance of teaching my son to be non judgemental, fair, a critical thinker, and to have a free mind had I not been taught these lessons myself the hard way.

  And had I not been treated so poorly by family and my 'brothers and sisters' I would not have been vulnerable enough to get involved with the scumbag that helped create my son in the first place. Therefore I would have my son had I not been a member of a cult so it was all worth it .
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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  flower

  Now Flower, if you are black this is "where", "what" Bill Cosby and alike said have it "effect" on you ... you considere you're own people langage as shit !

  Frenchy (by the way your language makes me melt ),

  You still are not getting it hon. I am black. My ancestors were AFRICAN. That would make my 'peoples' language one of the African languages...NOT Ebonics! Africans DON'T speak Ebonics. Uneducated Americans do! And DATS DA TROOF.
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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  flower

  I see nothing wrong with a child having both a home language and a language for the prevailing culture. I think african-american children would be better off treating English as a foreign language necessary for the job, and learn it (without abandoning their home language).

  I agree with you 100%. Except that this does not apply because we are not talking about people who are from other countries who have a 'home language'. Were talking about Americans. The home language is American English. The language needed to get ahead in the country is the same language. Its about whether lazily pronounced, grammatically incorrect words and phrases should be called Ebonics and presented to the world as acceptable and somehow 'cultural' instead of being seen as a lack of education.
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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  flower

  Frenchy, you misunderstand my point. I do not in anyway disrespect the culture or language of the African people who were brought to this country as slaves centuries ago. But that is not the language we are speaking about here. As I said before Africans do not and did not speak Ebonics. They spoke Zulu or Swati or one of the other 11 official languages of Africa.

  You forget that those Africans did not speak english at all when they were brought here. They learned what they needed to know so as to obey their masters but never learned english formally and thus did not know how to pronounciate words or used proper grammar. They were not allowed to learn that much so Ebonics (poorly spoken english) was born.
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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  flower

  Its not that I dont recognize stupidity as part of my culture. Yes, centuries ago my ancestors werent educated and could not speak properly because for them to learn was against the law. Those who taught themselves and read books faced the death penalty as did anyone who taught them. Whites wanted them to STAY stupid.

  I recognize that part of my culture. However stupidity is NOT the part of a black persons culture that they should hang on to today if they expect to succeed and have a financially secure future.

  Our forefathers did not WANT to be stupid back then and risked their lives to educate themselves so that they DIDNT talk like dat. So why would I want to disrespect their battle by stooping to the level of ebonics when they fought so hard to get away from it?
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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  flower

  Dat aint no Ebonics, dats jus bad grammar and Iffin I waz ta talk like dat in my job innerview, it aint no wondah i aint git offered da job.
  

  I think its insulting for one to insist that this disgusting display represents 'black language' where as speaking as though you have an education is considered 'talking white'.

  Trying to convince black people that this speech is acceptable because its 'their language', while KNOWING that this kind of language is unacceptable in the professional world and will get them nowhere in life, is just another way for certain people to keep these people from attaining success and keep them where they think they belong.

  Far too many black people have bought into it and jumped in on the 'ebonics should be a recognized language' bandwagon not knowing that they are digging their own and their childrens financial grave.

  Then they try to convince those black people who educate themselves and achieve in life as a result of that education that they are 'selling out'. I'm sorry but I ain't buyin it.
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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  flower

  Leo, you can post all you want about ebonics ..its still slang plain and simple.
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  Nicholas Berg's Beheading

  by Elmer J. Fudd in

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  i downloaded the beheading of nicholas berg and watched the video over and over.

  my opinion is that the video was edited to the max and berg was already dead when they cut his head off.

  no blood, no convulsions.

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  flower

  I saw the video a while ago and its repulsive. I felt like the sounds didnt match up to what was happening at certain points so there was definately some editing done in my opinion. But really, does it matter if he was dead before or after? Its gruesome and disgusting either way.
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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  flower

  Amen Crazydrinker,

  You said it better than I could!