B_Deserter

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  jws raided/azerbaijan

  by jacethespace in

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  2. scandals

  jehovahs witness meetings in azerbaijan have been raided especially house meetings where they are said to be illegal http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=1082

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  Azerbaijan commits to freedom of religion and speech in the same way Henry Ford offered the Model T in any color his customers wanted.
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  If you believe in Evolution then your a fool! God really is REAL!

  by Blackboo in

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  2. beliefs

  here are some questions evolution never bring up or will evade questioning.

  these are serious questions that kill all the silly beliefs about how the earth or universe got here..and here is why.

  think about this for a second we would not be here if nothing for all existence did not exist.

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  Blackboo is just another example of a small mind attacking what it doesn't understand.
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  What J.W teaching did you find the hardest to accept??

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for me it was the fact that god is allowing all these innocent people to get killed to prove a point ,i mean it was a big bet he had with satan.. i explained it to my wife this way if i had our children killed in the most horriable way just to show they couldn't live without me how does that make me look?.

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  Types and anti-types, as well as multiple kings of the north and south.
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  so are there really co's and elders who are undercover appostates???

  by newly unsure in

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  2. friends

  so are there really co's and elders who are undercover appostates??

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  It's easier for some people to leave than it is others. The people that it's easiest for don't even post on boards like these. My cousin is a good example of this. He didn't really get into it for very long, even though he was raised a witness. When he left he just stopped going. He never had any witness friends, and his family was already leaving with him. Me, on the other hand, have my entire social life wrapped up in the religion, and it is VERY difficult for me to make friends outside that context. If I cut all ties right now, I would very likely kill myself, so I have to take it slow and acclimate to my new life. I think the more into Jehovah's Witnesses you are, the harder it is to leave.
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  Alarming statement in today's study article in WT...

  by Mickey mouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  paragraph 15: "as we get nearer to the outbreak of the great tribulation, we may well receive some detailed instructions.

  our safe journey through those troublesome days will depend on our keeping in step with other loyal servants of jehovah.

  " this in the context of a wt discussing the israelites' exodus from egypt and how jehovah had them into a position where there seemed "no way out".

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  They've made this statement many times before. I grew up hearing it.
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  Can You Trust the Bible?

  by MissingLink in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey guys.

  can anyone point me to good references on whether the bible is accurate or not.

  like a rebuttal of the november 2007 awake?.

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  Take a look at the genealogies in Matthew and Luke. Not only are the lines after David completely different in both accounts, there are even a different number of ancestors as well. Now, there is a common explanation that Luke lists Mary's line while Matthew lists Joseph's. Most scholars do not take this explanation very seriously, as it is quite daring and not backed up with facts, let alone the Bible itself. It's merely wishful thinking on the part of those who would say anything to convince themselves the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Additionally, elements of the Jesus story are borrowed from the stories of Dionysus and Mithras. Since both cults were prevalent around the time Jesus supposedly lived, it's not unreasonable to consider the possibility that the gospels are an amalgamation of different mythologies with some original material thrown in to fit the Jewish messiah prophecy.
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  Being a Pro-Life Atheist

  by B_Deserter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's strange and i'm not sure if it's because of my upbringing, but i just can't be pro-choice.

  i just don't see the rational justification (other than a situation where the mother's life is in danger).

  i don't, however, see a problem with stuff like the morning-after pill, when the embryo is just a group of cells with no consciousness.

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  Another thing I noticed about that article was that it was very callous and cold when talking about human life. I agree that if abortion is illegal then it will just force it underground. Heck, if all it took to stop an activity was to make it illegal, prohibition would have worked, and we'd have no drug problem. What really needs to be done is address the problems in society that lead to abortion. Treat the cause, not the symptom. I am totally against abstinence-only sex education. As Jello Biafra, lead singer of the Dead Kennedys once put it: The verdict is in, America likes to screw. I've met women who've had abortions as simply another method of birth control. They killed their babies because it was just too inconvenient to their drinking/partying schedule. Where is the personal responsibility? If we allow this callousness to propagate in our society, we're doomed.
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  Are you part of a progressive Hall?

  by Not Feeling It in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with the proliferation of the vague concept (to most jws, not me!

  ) of a conscience matter, do you think there are more liberal (i don't mean politically) jws?

  have you come across many or any halls where the boe or the membership are content to really let the conscience decide the small stuff rather than the iron-fisted approach?.

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  Interesting post, monophonic.
  
  I've found that rural halls tend to be the most abusive and iron-fisted, just like how in small towns you'll have stricter cops. It's because they have nothing better to do. An elder has the time to freak out if a kid goes to a laser tag game in a rural congregation just like a small-town cop has the time to arrest kids for skateboarding. In the big city, the elders and cops have "bigger fish to fry" than minor infractions.
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  Being a Pro-Life Atheist

  by B_Deserter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's strange and i'm not sure if it's because of my upbringing, but i just can't be pro-choice.

  i just don't see the rational justification (other than a situation where the mother's life is in danger).

  i don't, however, see a problem with stuff like the morning-after pill, when the embryo is just a group of cells with no consciousness.

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  Thanks for posting that. I'm not too familiar with pregnancy, but I did know that abortions after the third trimester are illegal. I guess I'm not really sure what an embryo looks like during that period. I have to admit I've fallen into the trick of pro-life groups showing much-older fetuses than the third trimester and thinking that THESE were the babies being aborted. Personally, I don't see a clump of cells as a human, but something with eyes, ears, hands and feet obviously is.
  
  Also, regarding the situation where it would threaten the life of a mother. In most of those cases (like a fetus developing in the fallopian tube), the baby wouldn't survive either way. So the lesser value attached would be for life that is doomed no matter what. The days where women died trying to push children through their too-narrow birth canals are over thanks to the Cesarean procedure.
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  Are you part of a progressive Hall?

  by Not Feeling It in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with the proliferation of the vague concept (to most jws, not me!

  ) of a conscience matter, do you think there are more liberal (i don't mean politically) jws?

  have you come across many or any halls where the boe or the membership are content to really let the conscience decide the small stuff rather than the iron-fisted approach?.

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  I've heard stories about California halls being that way. Like this one sister would openly watch soap operas and it was no big deal down there.