Posts by Pallbearer

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

Thanks, Clarkey! I just noticed your post, and it makes a lot of sense.

Paul

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

fastJehu said: Here it is black on white:

w81 9/15 p. 23 par. 16 Disfellowshiping—How to View It

16 Persons who make themselves “not of our sort” by deliberately rejecting the faith and beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses should appropriately be viewed and treated as are those who have been disfellowshiped for wrongdoing.

That's interesting, and thanks for posting it. What, though, about those who have become inactive but still hold to the faith and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses? Are they considered to be apostates?

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

I have heard a rumor that if a JW becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate. Is this true? Has anyone here on this forum had such an experience? How can I find out if this is an official practice? Is it mentioned somewhere in the Watchtower's literature?

To be viewed as an apostate for merely becoming inactive seems quite unreasonable to me, which gives me the feeling that the rumor is untrue.

Please let me know if you have any knowledge about this.

Thanks,

Paul

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2020-May-S-147-E Announcements And Reminders!

by Atlantis in

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friends

friends, atlantis is receiving so much stuff so quickly, it is hard to keep up with it all.. the 2020 may announcements and reminders just came in also.

(s-147-e) in english and german.. if you want those just say so in the replies.. petra!.

Pallbearer

Don't forget to include me!

Thanks,

Paul

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Will God resurrect our beloved pets? What do you think?

by Pallbearer in

the watchtower doesn't hold out any hope for us ever seeing our beloved animals again.

i find it very difficult to believe that god -- a god of love -- would refuse to resurrect an animal that we had become so attached to.

over the years i have bonded with no less than four (4) dogs, all of which were/are like family to me.

Pallbearer

The Watchtower doesn't hold out any hope for us ever seeing our beloved animals again. I find it very difficult to believe that God -- a God of love -- would refuse to resurrect an animal that we had become so attached to. Over the years I have bonded with no less than four (4) dogs, all of which were/are like family to me. I have tasted what it feels like when one dies.

I would seriously like to know what YOU think, believe, or know for a fact: Will God resurrect our beloved pets? Do you know of any scripture that offers such a hope? If so, I would greatly appreciate being informed.

Thanks,

Pall

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What did Charles Taze Russell and the Bible Students believe?

by Pallbearer in

i know that present-day jehovah's witnesses believe that 144,000 are to go to heaven and rule alongside jesus, and that the survivors of armageddon along with those who will be resurrected are to live on earth with the prospect of living here forever.. questions:.

> what did pastor russell and the bible students originally believe about the earth?.

> did they believe that the earth would always exist and that it would become a paradise?.

Pallbearer

Thank you all for pointing me to some sources, which I am presently trying to sift through. I want to say a special thanks to Doug Mason for having produced this: https://jwstudies.com/The_Great_Crowd_before_1935_and_since.pdf

I will return later to report on my findings.

Pall

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What did Charles Taze Russell and the Bible Students believe?

by Pallbearer in

i know that present-day jehovah's witnesses believe that 144,000 are to go to heaven and rule alongside jesus, and that the survivors of armageddon along with those who will be resurrected are to live on earth with the prospect of living here forever.. questions:.

> what did pastor russell and the bible students originally believe about the earth?.

> did they believe that the earth would always exist and that it would become a paradise?.

Pallbearer

I know that present-day Jehovah's Witnesses believe that 144,000 are to go to heaven and rule alongside Jesus, and that the survivors of Armageddon along with those who will be resurrected are to live on earth with the prospect of living here forever.

Questions:

> What did Pastor Russell and the Bible Students originally believe about the earth?

> Did they believe that the earth would always exist and that it would become a paradise?

> Did Russell or any of the Bible Students entertain the hope of living forever upon the earth?

> Or, did they believe that going to heaven was the only hope that there was?

Thanks for any help that can be given with regards to my questions.

Pall

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Questions About the Watchtower's View on Blood Transfusions.

by Pallbearer in

i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.

i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?

and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.

Pallbearer

I just want to step in here for a moment to say how glad I am for having started this thread, because it has turned out to be so informative. And another reason is that, by means of links that have been posted, I learned about these two other very informative threads that deal with this same subject--both of which were started by Cofty.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/273265/my-explanation-why-they-got-wrong-about-blood-using-only-nwt

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/204070001/watchtower-right-about-blood

I want to express a hearty thanks to Cofty for posting (sharing) the results of the research you have done. It is apparent that you devoted a lot of time, thought, and effort in pursuit of an accurate understanding of the blood issue.

I also want to thank all of you others who are participating in this thread, for sharing your thoughts and knowledge.

Pall

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Questions About the Watchtower's View on Blood Transfusions.

by Pallbearer in

i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.

i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?

and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.

Pallbearer

The Watchtower's position on blood is also unscientific. Medicine does not recognize "major" vs "minor" components of blood. Transfusions of whole blood are relatively rare these days. Current practice is to give you the component you need.

Thanks for that information, Jeff.

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Questions About the Watchtower's View on Blood Transfusions.

by Pallbearer in

i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.

i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?

and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.

Pallbearer

JW's (Since the year 2000) allow fractions derived from any of these [four] primary components.

Pallbearer's reply: So, I understand you to mean that there are NO prohibited fractions. Then logically it would appear that if a person were to be given fractions of all four primary components he will have received whole blood.

JW's would claim that fractions are not actually blood, . . . .

Pallbearer's reply: Even if that were somehow true, they are still consuming parts of a substance that (according to their way of thinking) was supposed to have been 'poured out and covered with dust'! (Leviticus 17:13,14)

The WTS blood policies are not scriptural and defy logic.

Pallbearer's reply: Surely the WTS knows that too. It would appear that they have strategically contrived a confusing way to consume life-saving blood and yet say they are complying with the requirement to "abstain from blood".