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"extremism" -- What specifically did Russia ban Jehovah's Witnesses for?

by Pallbearer in

russia's reason for banning jehovah's witnesses is said to be due to extremism.

but what exactly does that mean, or refer to?

specifically, what practice (or practices) of jehovah's witnesses does russia consider to be extreme?

Pallbearer

Hello "was a new boy"!

The video of Winston's that you posted (in which you said to "jump to 7:15") had the very information my thread is seeking--namely the specific reasons why Russia considers the JWs to be extremists. However, there's the nagging little problem that right where it mattered the most Winston failed to cite the source of what was being said. (Son-of-a-gun, Sir Winston, is that the best you can do?) It's difficult to tell whether Winston is quoting a newspaper or what, and without that important detail what was being said/quoted carries little weight.

At any rate, thank you "was a new boy" for your fine effort at addressing the question which this thread poses. It was Winston that dropped the ball, not you.

Paul

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"extremism" -- What specifically did Russia ban Jehovah's Witnesses for?

by Pallbearer in

russia's reason for banning jehovah's witnesses is said to be due to extremism.

but what exactly does that mean, or refer to?

specifically, what practice (or practices) of jehovah's witnesses does russia consider to be extreme?

Pallbearer

Russia's reason for banning Jehovah's Witnesses is said to be due to EXTREMISM. But what exactly does that mean, or refer to? Specifically, what practice (or practices) of Jehovah's Witnesses does Russia consider to be EXTREME? I am asking this because I have yet to read an article on the subject that sheds enough light. I am always left wondering WHICH of the many practices of Jehovah's Witnesses is it that has caused the Russian Authorities to take such a stand against them and to confiscate all of their properties.

Do any of you here have a clue about this? If so, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

Was it because of any of the following reasons?

JWs refuse to do military service.
JWs do not get involved in politics.
JWs refuse to salute a national emblem.
JWs teach that the worldwide political system is under the control of Satan.
JWs consider the Russian Orthodox Church (which Putin happens to be a member of) to be a false religion.
JWs believe that they alone have the truth.
JWs peculiar stand regarding "blood".
JWs don't celebrate birthdays or holidays.
JWs disciple-making work, going door-to-door.
JWs have a disfellowshipping policy that sometimes "divides families".

Was it because of ALL of the above?

Was it because of SOME of the above?

Was it because of NONE of the above?

Thanks for any help that you can provide.

Paul

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Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

by BluesBrother in

if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

Pallbearer

Howdy Harry! It's nice that you have commented.

You said: "Historically there never has been a man made world power that governs over all lands."

I'd be interested to hear what you think about verse 38 in the 2nd chapter of Daniel?

36 “This is the dream, and we will now tell the king its interpretation. 37 You, O king—the king of kings to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, the strength, and the glory, 38 and into whose hand he has given men wherever they may dwell, as well as the beasts of the field and the birds of the heavens, and whom he has made ruler over all of them—you yourself are the head of gold.

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A 10-year-old thread is most-definitely worthy of being resurrected!

by Pallbearer in

a few minutes ago i posted in a topic that is 10 years old, and i had hoped that the thread would be brought back to the top but it didn't happen.

the thing is that the subject matter is still as relevant today as it was a decade previous.. the title to the thread was/is: "is there (was there ever) an anglo american dual world power?".

for anyone who hasn't read the thread i highly recommend that you do.

Pallbearer

A few minutes ago I posted in a topic that is 10 years old, and I had hoped that the thread would be brought back to the top but it didn't happen. The thing is that the subject matter is still as relevant today as it was a decade previous.

The title to the thread was/is: "Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?"

For anyone who hasn't read the thread I highly recommend that you do.

Here is where it is located: Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power? (jehovahs-witness.com)

And for anyone who is interested, here is what I posted:

Bringing this thread to the top again. It is tremendously informative and is helpful towards eliminating wrong ideas and interpretations. The answer to the topic's question is: No! There is no such thing as an "Anglo-American world power". Britain and the United States are not, and never have been, co-rulers over any part of the world. Thanks BluesBrother for your depth of thought regarding this subject and for authoring this thread. - - Paul

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Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

by BluesBrother in

if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

Pallbearer

Bringing this thread to the top again. It is tremendously informative and is helpful towards eliminating wrong ideas and interpretations. The answer to the topic's question is: No! There is no such thing as an "Anglo-American world power". Britain and the United States are not, and never have been, co-rulers over any part of the world. Thanks BluesBrother for your depth of thought regarding this subject and for authoring this thread. - - Paul.

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

Thank you, Minimus and Dubstepped. So far, no one seems to know of an actual case in which a JW has been labeled an apostate for becoming inactive. Where I heard the "rumor" I referred to in my opening post was while I was watching an ex-JW's YouTube video. The person flat out swore that it is a fact, and his wife backed him up by saying it is true. That's what got me to wondering if maybe I had some catching up to do, although I had my doubts at the same time. I'm not saying the person and his wife are lying; perhaps they have misunderstood something or don't have all the facts. Or perhaps it is a fact, but an isolated case in which certain members of the congregation have foolishly called an inactive person an apostate. Immature or thoughtless people do dumb things sometimes. I can cite an actual example of something dumb that I overheard a long, long time ago while attending an Assembly. My wife and I were relatively new at the time. It had become time to go home and the volunteers had already started their cleaning work as my wife and I were leaving the building. As we were walking towards the exit we happened to notice that two of the brothers sweeping the floor nearby were members of our Congregation. And as plain as day we heard one exclaim to the other, "All we need is another nut !!!" It didn't sound like he was trying to be funny, he sounded very serious, like he was really disgusted at someone. I'm sure that the person who said that was at least a Ministerial Servant at the time if not an Elder, and he would go on to become the Presiding Overseer about 5 to 6 years later. It shocked me hearing a JW talk in such a dumb, abrasive, way like that, and I have never forgotten it. That was many a year ago, and I hope that he eventually grew up.

Paul

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

@fastJehu

Thanks for your comment but it doesn't seem to support or warrant viewing an inactive JW as an apostate, and particularly if the JW is weak spiritually (like Clarkey stated) or perhaps is going through some kind of an extreme hardship or has been traumatized by some event in life (like a child or one's mate having died).

Thanks for your input just the same.

Paul

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

Thanks, Clarkey! I just noticed your post, and it makes a lot of sense.

Paul

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

fastJehu said: Here it is black on white:

w81 9/15 p. 23 par. 16 Disfellowshiping—How to View It

16 Persons who make themselves “not of our sort” by deliberately rejecting the faith and beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses should appropriately be viewed and treated as are those who have been disfellowshiped for wrongdoing.

That's interesting, and thanks for posting it. What, though, about those who have become inactive but still hold to the faith and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses? Are they considered to be apostates?

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

I have heard a rumor that if a JW becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate. Is this true? Has anyone here on this forum had such an experience? How can I find out if this is an official practice? Is it mentioned somewhere in the Watchtower's literature?

To be viewed as an apostate for merely becoming inactive seems quite unreasonable to me, which gives me the feeling that the rumor is untrue.

Please let me know if you have any knowledge about this.

Thanks,

Paul