Posts by Pallbearer

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Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

by BluesBrother in

if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

Pallbearer

Bringing this thread to the top again. It is tremendously informative and is helpful towards eliminating wrong ideas and interpretations. The answer to the topic's question is: No! There is no such thing as an "Anglo-American world power". Britain and the United States are not, and never have been, co-rulers over any part of the world. Thanks BluesBrother for your depth of thought regarding this subject and for authoring this thread. - - Paul.

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

Thank you, Minimus and Dubstepped. So far, no one seems to know of an actual case in which a JW has been labeled an apostate for becoming inactive. Where I heard the "rumor" I referred to in my opening post was while I was watching an ex-JW's YouTube video. The person flat out swore that it is a fact, and his wife backed him up by saying it is true. That's what got me to wondering if maybe I had some catching up to do, although I had my doubts at the same time. I'm not saying the person and his wife are lying; perhaps they have misunderstood something or don't have all the facts. Or perhaps it is a fact, but an isolated case in which certain members of the congregation have foolishly called an inactive person an apostate. Immature or thoughtless people do dumb things sometimes. I can cite an actual example of something dumb that I overheard a long, long time ago while attending an Assembly. My wife and I were relatively new at the time. It had become time to go home and the volunteers had already started their cleaning work as my wife and I were leaving the building. As we were walking towards the exit we happened to notice that two of the brothers sweeping the floor nearby were members of our Congregation. And as plain as day we heard one exclaim to the other, "All we need is another nut !!!" It didn't sound like he was trying to be funny, he sounded very serious, like he was really disgusted at someone. I'm sure that the person who said that was at least a Ministerial Servant at the time if not an Elder, and he would go on to become the Presiding Overseer about 5 to 6 years later. It shocked me hearing a JW talk in such a dumb, abrasive, way like that, and I have never forgotten it. That was many a year ago, and I hope that he eventually grew up.

Paul

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

@fastJehu

Thanks for your comment but it doesn't seem to support or warrant viewing an inactive JW as an apostate, and particularly if the JW is weak spiritually (like Clarkey stated) or perhaps is going through some kind of an extreme hardship or has been traumatized by some event in life (like a child or one's mate having died).

Thanks for your input just the same.

Paul

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

Thanks, Clarkey! I just noticed your post, and it makes a lot of sense.

Paul

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

fastJehu said: Here it is black on white:

w81 9/15 p. 23 par. 16 Disfellowshiping—How to View It

16 Persons who make themselves “not of our sort” by deliberately rejecting the faith and beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses should appropriately be viewed and treated as are those who have been disfellowshiped for wrongdoing.

That's interesting, and thanks for posting it. What, though, about those who have become inactive but still hold to the faith and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses? Are they considered to be apostates?

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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

by Pallbearer in

i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

is this true?

has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

Pallbearer

I have heard a rumor that if a JW becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate. Is this true? Has anyone here on this forum had such an experience? How can I find out if this is an official practice? Is it mentioned somewhere in the Watchtower's literature?

To be viewed as an apostate for merely becoming inactive seems quite unreasonable to me, which gives me the feeling that the rumor is untrue.

Please let me know if you have any knowledge about this.

Thanks,

Paul

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2020-May-S-147-E Announcements And Reminders!

by Atlantis in

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friends

friends, atlantis is receiving so much stuff so quickly, it is hard to keep up with it all.. the 2020 may announcements and reminders just came in also.

(s-147-e) in english and german.. if you want those just say so in the replies.. petra!.

Pallbearer

Don't forget to include me!

Thanks,

Paul

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Will God resurrect our beloved pets? What do you think?

by Pallbearer in

the watchtower doesn't hold out any hope for us ever seeing our beloved animals again.

i find it very difficult to believe that god -- a god of love -- would refuse to resurrect an animal that we had become so attached to.

over the years i have bonded with no less than four (4) dogs, all of which were/are like family to me.

Pallbearer

The Watchtower doesn't hold out any hope for us ever seeing our beloved animals again. I find it very difficult to believe that God -- a God of love -- would refuse to resurrect an animal that we had become so attached to. Over the years I have bonded with no less than four (4) dogs, all of which were/are like family to me. I have tasted what it feels like when one dies.

I would seriously like to know what YOU think, believe, or know for a fact: Will God resurrect our beloved pets? Do you know of any scripture that offers such a hope? If so, I would greatly appreciate being informed.

Thanks,

Pall

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What did Charles Taze Russell and the Bible Students believe?

by Pallbearer in

i know that present-day jehovah's witnesses believe that 144,000 are to go to heaven and rule alongside jesus, and that the survivors of armageddon along with those who will be resurrected are to live on earth with the prospect of living here forever.. questions:.

> what did pastor russell and the bible students originally believe about the earth?.

> did they believe that the earth would always exist and that it would become a paradise?.

Pallbearer

Thank you all for pointing me to some sources, which I am presently trying to sift through. I want to say a special thanks to Doug Mason for having produced this: https://jwstudies.com/The_Great_Crowd_before_1935_and_since.pdf

I will return later to report on my findings.

Pall

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What did Charles Taze Russell and the Bible Students believe?

by Pallbearer in

i know that present-day jehovah's witnesses believe that 144,000 are to go to heaven and rule alongside jesus, and that the survivors of armageddon along with those who will be resurrected are to live on earth with the prospect of living here forever.. questions:.

> what did pastor russell and the bible students originally believe about the earth?.

> did they believe that the earth would always exist and that it would become a paradise?.

Pallbearer

I know that present-day Jehovah's Witnesses believe that 144,000 are to go to heaven and rule alongside Jesus, and that the survivors of Armageddon along with those who will be resurrected are to live on earth with the prospect of living here forever.

Questions:

> What did Pastor Russell and the Bible Students originally believe about the earth?

> Did they believe that the earth would always exist and that it would become a paradise?

> Did Russell or any of the Bible Students entertain the hope of living forever upon the earth?

> Or, did they believe that going to heaven was the only hope that there was?

Thanks for any help that can be given with regards to my questions.

Pall