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  * silentlambs discussion forums: NEWS!! *

  by Focus in

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  please see: http://www.lambsroar.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=1387#1387.

  posted: fri dec 13, 2002 1:54 pm post subject: silentlambs forums to be terminated .

  i am sad to announce the silentlambs discussion forums will be terminated as of midnight sunday.

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  Focus

  Please see: http://www.lambsroar.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=1387#1387

  Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:54 pm Post subject: silentlambs forums to be terminated

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  I am sad to announce the silentlambs discussion forums will be terminated as of midnight Sunday. The original purpose of the forums was to be a positive place for abuse survivors to interact, sadly the most active topics have been those that were negative. It takes much time and effort to run a forum and if that was our only job it would be hard at best. When we have to balance the media and court cases that are being prepared for along with the needs of abuse survivors it is a load that cannot be managed properly. Something has to give that this seems the most logical place to start.

  If you have something you want to save off the comments you can cut and past what you wish most of the relevant information will be transferred to the website. For those who wish to communicate the guestbook can be used for that purpose and we will endeavor to watch it more closely than in the past. We appreciate the kind support of those who registered and encourage you to continue to check the sl website for the lastest information on abuse.

  regards,
  bill
  _________________
  silentlambs

  But there is more in that thread - please surf there and read it. IT IS NOT ALL BAD NEWS, and is unfolding now. Also see updates later on down in this thread.

  My good wishes are with Bill whose work with the Silentlambs Organization continues. The announcement ONLY relates to the discussion forums.

  There are some EXCELLENT articles on the "Blow off steam!" forum there, written by my friend Norm. Here are the titles:
  What to do when molested
  The God of the pedophiles
  Conscience, your inner policeman?
  Violence and Human Rights
  The always imminent end
  "Wisdom"
  Logic and shallow reasoning
  Reliable promises?
  Surviving Jehovahs day
  If the forums are to go, I do recommend that these posts are downloaded by many and saved.

  And I do hope that Bill will post here on JWD again, and that he will not be harassed and childishly dogged over what is generally accepted was a mistake. There is no malice whatsoever in Bill. He has been brave and done a lot of good. Makes him stand out. Cut him slack, please, if he does come back here. I'm sure no one really wants my "analogy" and "parable" threads to resurface: glass houses and stones. Who knows what might fall out of the tree.

  Together we can beat the WTS. Let us do this, right?

  --
  Focus
  (Ace Stoner Class)

  Edited to add threatfriendly advice, and to amend the "Subject" line.

  Edited by - Focus on 13 December 2002 19:15:55
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  What am I ?

  by Beans in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well i didn't make the caring list or the smart list, what catagory do i fall into, apostae class?

  clown class?

  quotes class?

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  Focus

  Aztec:
  

  Is it the Carnal-Minded Babes in Christ Class?

  Really, this is unacceptable conduct on your part. Don't you attend TMS at all? If this persists, I will have to call your congregation and arrange for a remedial BS. Please ask for the pre-underlined copies of material if the underlining is what is distracting you.

  Here is what you doubted was genuine:

  "While the few 'escape,' the majority of professing Christians, sincere, earnest, zealous, in their way, though they be, are yet, on their own profession, not entirely consecrated, and do not wish to be. They are willing to take the Lord as a partner, and defer a little to his wishes in their acts of life. The partnership is composed of Christ, the world, and SELF; and these three modify the life and bring it to a 'luke-warm' condition. But to cast out the world and to debase self so that the only controlling power is Christ, is to break up all partnership, and brings to the condition Paul expresses: 'For me to live is Christ,' because Christ reigns supreme. This class will be overtaken by the 'day of the Lord' unprepared. Because, 'overcharged with the world, self, and the cares of this life,' they are not watching, and are therefore taken 'unawares,' and as in a 'snare' (see Luke 21:34,35), 'and they shall not escape.' This class, sometimes called 'carnal-minded, babes in Christ,' are blessed in this great trouble; for, though the love of Christ does not constrain them to entire consecration because of the great strength of the world and self, yet, when put into this 'furnace' of trouble, the miserable dross will be eliminated, their eyes relieved of worldly blindness and anointed with truth that they may truly see; their garments, too, which have become so torn that 'the shame of their nakedness appears;' and, spotted by the flesh and soiled by contact with the world, these, with much anguish and pain, shall, during this 'day of wrath, wash their robes and make them white in the blood of the Lamb,' and 'the Lamb in the throne shall feed them.'.. It is then, while the 'little flock,' the 'Bride,' the 'overcoming church,' is thus enthroned with Jesus, and while she is inflicting the judgments written, and while the other class of Christians in the Church, the carnal-minded ones, left in the world are 'washing their robes,' that the Lamb feeds them with truth, and leads them (some quickly, others more slowly) unto living fountains of water, bringing, finally, as many as will be led to the heavenly condition, beyond all tears, pain and sorrow, receiving them into his eternal home; and so we see them ((snip since we see them))"

  This was from page 1 of the fourth Watchtower magazine of '79 (Vol. I, No. 4). And there are nearly a dozen further references to this exalted class in the following dozen years. The Watchtower, rather like the Universe, is stranger than most can believe. But then, only to the exalted is revealed the Mystery of God.

  Please study:
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/userthreads.asp?id=1337&site=3
  and practise washing your robes (as specified in the quote above) in accordance with God's loving commandments while we are still enmeshed in this wicked system of things, before the holocaust of Har-Mageddonandon is upon us.

  I HAVE RUN OUT OF POSTING QUOTA, SO... I AM EDITING TO ANSWER AZTEC'S POST BELOW
  Sorry, Aztec: three strikes and you are out.

  "TIME IN THE SATISFACTION OF JUSTICE.
  Let us inquire respecting the time of the satisfaction of Justice. Was Justice satisfied when the Lord left the glory which he had with the Father and was born a babe? No! Was it satisfied when he reached manhood's estate and had presented himself, the man Christ Jesus, at the time of his baptism, consecrating his life? No! for although the Father there accepted the sacrifice, and evidenced the acceptance by the giving of the holy Spirit, the sacrifice itself was not yet complete. Was Justice satisfied at the close of the three and a half years' ministry, when on the cross he cried, 'It is finished?' No! Satisfaction was not yet accomplished, though the means of satisfaction was now in our Lord's hands. Was satisfaction of Justice accomplished when our Lord ascended up on high and appeared in the presence of God for us? Yes, we answer. Justice was satisfied so far as the 'us' class was concerned, but not beyond the 'us,' the believers, the 'household of faith.' As already shown the curse still rests upon the world, which is still declared of the Lord to be under 'condemnation.' Does the sacrifice of the Lord's people throughout this age down to the present time satisfy Justice? No! All the members of the body of Christ are counted in as one, and the sacrificing of the body members is not yet completed. Will Justice be satisfied when the last member of the Church shall have suffered as a member of the body of Christ? No! it will still be necessary for the 'Head,' after having supervised the sacrifice, to present the 'members'-to present before the Father the evidence that these adopted members followed in his steps, completed their consecration even unto death faithfully. Thus he will present us before the Father 'blameless,' 'irreproachable.' ('Phil. 2:15'.) Then the merit of this adopted portion of our Lord's sacrifice will be presented on behalf of the world, and, as shown us in the type, the Father is sure to accept it and to grant the full blessing, which will mean the rolling away, in every sense, of the sentence, the curse now resting upon the race.-'Col. 1:26,27'. - Zion's Watchtower, Vol. XXVII No. 2, January 15, '06, AND a half dozen other places spread over a decade.

  The Society sure is crazy, ain't it? Cya, Aztec! I was only kidding with you: yep, I just might be a little bit more anti-WTS than I first appear..

  --
  Focus
  (Toilet-Cleaning Class)

  Edited by - Focus on 13 December 2002 10:0:4
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  What am I ?

  by Beans in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well i didn't make the caring list or the smart list, what catagory do i fall into, apostae class?

  clown class?

  quotes class?

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  Aztec asked:
  

  Focus, is there really a Running Class? I thought that was what I did at the gym. Confused as always, ~Aztec of the wannabe "Evil Slave Class"

  O Aztec of Little Faith, just open a copy of God's publication (a new Bible chapter once or twice a month - yep, our wonderful Watchtower), the issue of the first of November '98. (remember '98? What a year, eh?). Turn to page 318 and ye will surely find:

  (4) In a still fuller sense he is 'for' all those who accept the call and who are seeking to 'make their calling and election sure.' God is in an especial sense 'for' all these who are so running as to obtain the prize which he offers. 'They shall be mine, in that day when I make up my jewels.' It is to this called and faithfully running class that the Apostle speaks as 'us.' He and those whom he addressed ('called to be saints'-'Rom. 1:6,7') had first been 'honored' with the light; second, they, by repentance and faith, had accepted it and been justified; third, they had been 'called;' fourth, they had accepted the calling and given themselves wholly to the Lord. And with the Apostle and the early Church all who to-day can recognize themselves in this same position, as having taken these same steps, may properly apply to themselves the Apostle's words and say, God is for us. Who can be against us! All the 'saints' throughout the whole world, who have taken the afore-mentioned steps, are probably altogether not a great multitude; but rather, comparatively, a 'little flock:' yet each one of these may say to himself, and realize to the very bottom of his heart as applicable to himself, these wonderful words, -God is for us. He may endeavor to grasp the significance of these words, but he will surely fail of getting all of their wonderful meaning. It is not possible for the human mind to grasp ... ((snip at appropriate place))

  That was Vol. XIX, No. 21 if you needed more references. And as the FDS believed in recycling, you'll also find it in the August 1 copy of Zion's Watchtower and Herald of Christ's Presence, Vol. XXIX No. 15 ten years later. Page 229. Got left off the CD, for whatever reason!

  So, I have proved to you that the running class is an official Watchtower Class - vital to be part of if you want to share that THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD IS JESUS.

  Fookus 20:29
  "Fooks saith unto Aztec, because thou hast seen it, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

  Find the ONE odd Class out. Before class is out. Anyone?

  For newcomers: I have used these lists to identify Closet Apostates (such as AlanF) before now.

  joannadandy:
  A ((((hug)))) from me may result in people getting scratched, as I've used up my Retract Quota for the month. Sorry. It will have to be a Parousiacal Hug. The last bunched I hugged virtually have all left JWD and I am told are still shouting my name in the forgotten realms..

  joy2bfree wrote:
  

  j2bf of the class who hates "lists"

  Then, you MUST be an apostate, because God's Only People love lists. This is a most unsafe place for me, with such contamination abounding...

  And... My List is a Whole Lot Bigger than Beans' List.

  --
  Focus
  (Life Everlasting In Freedom of the Right To Have God Bring Animals To Me To Have Sex With Class)

  Edited by - Focus on 12 December 2002 22:56:40
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  What am I ?

  by Beans in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well i didn't make the caring list or the smart list, what catagory do i fall into, apostae class?

  clown class?

  quotes class?

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  (Name deleted) wrote:
  

  Well, at least you are not a woman in the WTBTS organization, Beans!! That's the lowest class yet!

  Immediately desist from spreading these disgraceful LIES about God's people! What are you - an apostate??
  1. That to which you refer is NOT a CLASS but a RANK. What were you doing during TMS? OTOH, do not answer that!
  2. There are many, many lower ranks than the one you mention. See below:

  1 Less Senile Man Who 'Specially Advises' The President of the WTBTS
  2 The President of the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses
  3 Jehovah God [As WTBTS President interprets/'explains' all... ;-) ]
  4 Charles Taze Russell, occasionally The Faithful & Discreet Slave
  5 Michael=Jesus, Satan [Jesus/Satan oddly confusable in WTBTS literature]
  6 Other Governing Body Member (White)
  7 Other more submissive Archangel
  8 Writing Staff Member
  9 Common or Garden Angel/Spirit
  10 Other Committee head
  11 Higher-Up Biblical Prophet (e.g. "Moses" Class)
  12 Other Governing Body Member (Black or servile)
  13 Prominent Bethelite
  14 Biblical Prophet (e.g. "Ezekiel" Class)
  15 Other Committee Member
  16 Male Biblical "Honorable Mention" (e.g. "David" Class)
  17 Branch Overseer
  18 District Overseer
  19 Circuit Overseer
  20 City Overseer
  21 Presiding Overseer
  22 Elder with influence
  23 Common or Garden Bethelite
  24 Male Anointed One (active) ("Anointed Remnant" Class)
  25 Common or garden Elder
  26 Ministerial Servant
  27 Male Special Pioneer
  28 Male Pioneer
  29 Male Auxiliary Pioneer
  30 Male Anointed One (less active)
  31 Male Alleged Anointed One
  32 Male Dead Anointed One
  33 Male Regular Publisher (but if non-JW spouse, lower)
  34 Male Irregular Publisher (but if non-JW spouse, lower)
  35 Male Inactive Publisher (but if non-JW spouse, lower)
  36 Male Dead Publisher
  37 Female Biblical "Honorable Mention" (Ruth Class, HIGHEST for a Female)
  38 Female Anointed One (active)
  39 Female Anointed One (less active)
  40 Female Alleged Anointed One
  41 Female Dead Anointed One
  42 Female Special Pioneer
  43 Female Pioneer
  44 Female Auxiliary Pioneer
  45 Female Regular Publisher (but if non-JW spouse, lower)
  46 Female Irregular Publisher (but if non-JW spouse, lower)
  47 Female Inactive Publisher (but if non-JW spouse, lower)
  48 Female Dead Publisher
  49 jW with suspected "worldly leanings" (or who forgets to dress per code)
  50 jW with at least one DF/DA relative (if they misbehave, becomes a C-59)
  51 Marked jW
  52 Reproved jW
  53 Male unbaptized Associate
  54 Female unbaptized Associate
  55 Male child of jW (sub-Class rank depends on Congregational Rank of Pop)
  56 Female child of jW (sub-Class rank depends on Rank of Pater)
  57 Male child of unbaptized Associate
  58 Female child of unbaptized Associate; Dead unbaptized associate/family
  59 "Spiritually Weak" jW; Dead non-jW who never heard the message; Hitler
  60 jW known to have "Apostate Leanings", Other Dead;Mother Teresa (dogmeat)
  61 Male householder starting a Bible Study
  62 Female householder starting a Bible Study; any who paid for literature
  63 Other Male adult (Catholics, Beardeds and Smokers at the bottom)
  64 Other Submissive Female adult (ditto); Rapist [subject to Flicker Light]
  65 Other Male Child
  66 Idiot, Infidel or Lunatic
  67 Other Female Child
  68 Co-operative & submissive & clean non-jW Spouse of jW (Male higher)
  69 One suspected of "running ahead of Jehovah" (never forgivable)
  70 Co-operative & submissive non-jW Close Family of jW (Male much higher)
  71 Non-human animals (snakes and bottom-feeding pond scum excepted)
  72 Householder (either sex) who has politely said "not interested"
  73 Householder (either sex) who has said "get lost"
  74 Householder (either sex) who has offended (marked for early destruction)
  75 Householder (either sex) who set household pet on jW (likewise)
  76 Internet User or Child-Molester (unless Elder, in which case can be OK)
  77 Unsubmissive Female; Demon
  78 Unco-operative or unsubmissive or unclean non-jW Spouse of jW
  79 Unco-operative or unsubmissive non-jW Family of jW
  80 Formally Disassociated One
  81 Bottom-feeding Pond Scum
  82 Informally Disassociated One
  83 Serpent
  84 Living Mass-Murderer; Trinitarian (if different)
  85 Masturbator, Homosexual [taught as basically the same thing]
  86 One said to be pending J.C. [to jW this means not Jesus!] proceedings
  87 Opposer who was never associated
  88 jW who accepts Blood Transfusion
  89 Clergyman, other Harlot
  90 Opposer who had been associated
  91 Pope, other Great Whore; George Orwell
  92 Disfellowshipped One (but see below)
  93 Shunned One
  94 Member of "Swine" Class
  95 Apostatized One (Watters-Penton-Reed)
  96 Member of "Evil Slave" Class
  97 Demonized One (e.g. Feuerbacher-Bergman-Raines)
  98 One who Attempts to Tape-Record Judicial Committee proceedings (JJ )
  99 Wicked Demonized One (e.g., Farkel-Steinhaug-Kotwal-Hovland-JanH)
  100Viprous Concealed-Apostatical One (e.g. Prominent Bethelite Antitype)

  Rank-Classification Notes:
  (a) Multiple "fits" will occur ;-)) Use clearest/narrowest fit!
  (b) All Ranked 60-100 will be BLASTED APART at Armageddon SOON by JEHOVAH!!
  (c) All in 60-100 already dead will NEVER get a chance to redeem themselves
  (d) Everything subject to retrospective change without any prior warning (TM New Light)
  (e) However belief of truth not yet seen to be truth puts you in Rank #69.
  (f) Sub-ranks are numerous but not separately numbered. Use imagination!

  --
  Focus
  (20,736,000,000 Class)
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  What am I ?

  by Beans in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well i didn't make the caring list or the smart list, what catagory do i fall into, apostae class?

  clown class?

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  Beans:
  Which Class are you? Well, the Watchtower has over the years set out or defined a huge number of Official Classes. Here are most of them, with one fake thrown in for good measure (spot it?).

  So, take your pick from amongst the classless Watchtower's classification:

  144,000 Class
  Abel Class
  Achan Class
  Altar Class
  Amaziah Class
  Amos Class
  Ancient Class
  Anointed Class
  Anointed Remnant Class
  Antagonistic Class
  Apostatized Class
  Apostle Class
  Arisen Class
  Aryan Class
  Beloved Class
  Betrothed Class
  Bitter Class
  Blemished Class
  Body Class
  Bride Class
  Bridegroom Class
  Brier Class
  Brother Class
  Caleb Class
  Camp Class
  Carnal-Minded Babes In Christ Class
  Chaff Class
  Changers Class
  Chief Class
  Chieftain Class
  Child Of God Class
  Childlike Class
  Chosen Class
  Christ Class
  Christiania Class
  Church Class
  Churchianity Class
  Composite Class
  Conqueror Class
  Consecrated Class
  Cream Class
  Created Class
  Creditor Class
  Critic Class
  Cultured Class
  Dangerous Class
  Darkened Class
  David Class
  Dead Class
  Debtor Class
  Deceived Class
  Dependent Class
  Depraved Class
  Desirable Class
  Dictator Class
  Dignified Class
  Disciple Class
  Disfavored Class
  Dishonorable Class
  Dispensable Class
  Disreputable Class
  Dog Class
  Eagle Class
  Earthly Class
  Elder Class
  Elect Bride Class
  Elect Class
  Elijah Class
  Elijah-John-The-Baptist Class
  Elijah-Like Class
  Elisha Class
  Enthroned Class
  Envious Class
  Esau Class
  Esther Class
  Eunuch Class
  Evil Slave Class
  Exalted Class
  Ezekiel Class
  Faith Class
  Faithful And Discreet Servant Class
  Faithful And Discreet Slave Class
  Faithful And Discreet Steward Class
  Faithful And Wise Servant Class
  Faithful And Wise Steward Class
  Faithful Class
  Favorable Class
  Favored Class
  Feet Class
  Fighting Class
  First Class
  First-Born Class
  Firstfruit Class
  Flock Class
  Foolish Virgin Class
  Foreknown Class
  Fourth Class
  Glorified Class
  Glorious Class
  Goat Class
  Goats Class
  Gold Class
  Governing Class
  Great Class
  Great Company Class
  Great Crowd Class
  Great Multitude Class
  Great Restitution Class
  Great Teacher Class
  Groom Class
  Ground Class
  Haricot Class
  Harvest Class
  Heavenly Class
  High Angel Class
  Higher Class
  Hireling Class
  His Bride Class
  His Jewel Class
  Holier Class
  Holiness Class
  Honored Class
  Hopeless Class
  Humble Class
  Hypocrite Class
  Improper Class
  Infant Class
  Inspired Class
  Intractable Class
  Isaac Class
  Ishmael Class
  Israel Class
  Jacob Class
  Jehu Class
  Jeremiah Class
  Jerusalem Class
  Jew Class
  Jewel Class
  Job Class
  John Class
  Joint-Heir Class
  Jonadab Class
  Jonathan Class
  Joshua Class
  Judas Class
  Judge Class
  Justified Class
  King Class
  Kingdom Class
  Kingly Class
  Laity Class
  Lapsing Class
  Large Class
  Lazarus Class
  Levite Class
  Levitical Class
  Little Class
  Lord Class
  Lowest Class
  Loyal Class
  Lunatic Class
  Man Of Perdition Class
  Man Of The True God Class
  Man With the Writer's Inkhorn Class
  Many Class
  Mediator Class
  Messiah Class
  Messianic Class
  Millennial Age Class
  Minor Class
  Mordecai Class
  Mordecai-Esther Class
  Moses Class
  Mustard Seed Class
  My Bride Class
  Mystery Class
  Naomi Class
  Needy Class
  Neglected Class
  Nehemiah Class
  Nephilim Class
  Nethinim Class
  Nicodemus Class
  Nominal Class
  Non-Elect Class
  Numerous Class
  Obedient Class
  Obscure Class
  Official Class
  Opposite Class
  Opposition Class
  Ostracized Class
  Other Sheep Class
  Outcast Class
  Overcomer Class
  Overcoming Class
  Parent Class
  Peculiar Class
  Penitent Class
  Permanent Class
  Peter Class
  Pharisaical Class
  Pharisee Class
  Preacher's Class
  Preaching Class
  Priest Class
  Priesthood Class
  Priestly Class
  Principal Class
  Prodigal Class
  Prophet Class
  "Prophet" Class
  Prophetic Class
  Prophet-like Class
  Putty Class
  Reigning Class
  Religious Class
  Remnant Class
  Reproached Bullock Class
  Reputable Class
  Resident Class
  Restitution Class
  Royal Class
  Running Class
  Ruth Class
  Ruth-Naomi Class
  Sadducees Class
  Saint Class
  Saintly Class
  Salt Class
  Salter Class
  Samaritan Class
  Sanctified Class
  Sanctuary Class
  Saul Class
  Scapegoat Class
  Sea Class
  Seashore Class
  Second Class
  Second Company Class
  Second Death Class
  Secondary Class
  Seed Class
  Seeking Class
  Select Class
  Separate Class
  Servant Class
  Sheep Class
  Silver Class
  Simon Magus Class
  Sinner Class
  Sister Class
  Slave Class
  Son Of Heaven Class
  Special Class
  Specific Class
  Spirit-Begotten Class
  Spiritual Class
  Splendid Class
  Spurious Class
  Standfaster Class
  Steward Class
  Submerged Class
  Subordinate Class
  Suitable Class
  Superior Class
  Swine Class
  Tare Class
  Tarried Class
  Temple Class
  'Thee' Class
  Third Class
  Tribulation Class
  True Bride Class
  True Wheat Class
  Unfaithful Class
  Unprincipled Class
  Unsaved Non-Elect Infant Class
  Unsuitable Class
  'Us' Class
  Vile Class
  Viper Class
  Virgin Class
  Watchman Class
  Wheat Class
  Wicked Class
  Winnowing Class
  Wise Virgin Class
  Worldly Class
  Worst Class
  Worthies Class
  Zealous Class
  Zerubbabel Class
  Zionistic Class

  Yep, all but one genuine.

  Do not get these muddled with Ranks, please note.

  --
  Focus
  (Thoroughly Demonized Class)
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  Let him that hath understanding: 6-6-6

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  among some wonderful material from elsewhere, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42268&site=3 asks where lies the exact center (of wickedness).. exact center?

  per the current jw "encyclopedia", "insight on the scriptures" volume 1 p296 states:.

  "bethel .. became renowned as a center of false worship".

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  JH:
  J = Letter 10
  H = Letter 8

  I will take from amongst these two six times (as you are thrice damned), and then will make three sixes as follows:

  (8 x 8 x 10) + (8 + 8 + 10) = 666

  By this, you are exposed for what you are. See Eph. 5:11.

  IslandWoman
  How dare you try and stumble your hard-working brothers as to where Jehovah lieth?

  Sure, he reposeth in the '71 gem, for sure (I do from time to time see who properly reads these droppings... it is my way of finding if rumor be true and apostates are to be found here).

  And Jehovah is in his properly numbered place, at six hundred, three score and six. As "Aid to Bible understanding, containing historical, geographical, religious, and social facts concerning Bible persons, peoples, places, plant and animal life, activities, and so forth" is one work, whether in its first Lesser/partial jubilee form or its second Greater symbolic fulfillment thereof, I am apt to use just the one date to refer to the whole work of scholarship.

  humor

  Humor? Humor?? What Humor? I meant no humor.
  And there is no scriptural record that Moses or the Greater Moses (Jesus) ever employed such a device. If so, Humor would have to have been before Exodus, which would make a singularity.

  But this damned spot seems to allow Apostates to post. Is there an administrator anywhere?

  --
  Focus
  ('Paradise Denied to Mankind - By Theocrazies' Class)

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  Let him that hath understanding: 6-6-6

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  among some wonderful material from elsewhere, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42268&site=3 asks where lies the exact center (of wickedness).. exact center?

  per the current jw "encyclopedia", "insight on the scriptures" volume 1 p296 states:.

  "bethel .. became renowned as a center of false worship".

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  JH wrote:
  

  666 Focus is right again

  OK, fine. You may keep the cat. Just stop fiddling with your pi.

  And now I have a question for you.

  "MIRACLE WHEAT IN DEMAND .. The notice in THE WATCH TOWER of June 15 that Brother Bohnet has 'miracle wheat' in abundance now, and that he will sell it at $1 per pound and donate the entire proceeds to our Tract Fund, has brought in many orders. These will be filled between August 15 and September 1. No limit as to supply has been noted. Sent by Express, prepaid, the price will be twenty-two pounds for $20; fifty-five pounds for $50; larger quantities at the latter rate. The merits of this wheat over the common variety have been mentioned in previous issues of THE WATCH TOWER."
  -The Watchtower, August 1 1911, p226

  QUESTION: What is special about the above quote, with the Watchtower's "Just Call Me No-Zero-Year" level of mathematical excellence in mind?

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  Let him that hath understanding: 6-6-6

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  among some wonderful material from elsewhere, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42268&site=3 asks where lies the exact center (of wickedness).. exact center?

  per the current jw "encyclopedia", "insight on the scriptures" volume 1 p296 states:.

  "bethel .. became renowned as a center of false worship".

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  DamnedAt21 wrote:
  

  That was quite a post. Powerful stuff!! I admire your conviction Focus

  0. Welcome to JWD, DamnedAt21.

  1. And I admire your reading speed!

  2. Conviction?? Now, if only how I could figure out how to get the Gibbering Baboon Class (G.B. to the r&f) convicted for being the disgraceful conmen that they are, perpetrating widespread fraud on the trusting folk of the world, you'd have something to praise me for.

  3. Here is more, if you are a masochist:
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/userposts.asp?id=1337&site=3
  Try http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39853&site=3 for a starter.

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  Exact Center

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  what is the shortest chapter in the bible?

  psalms 117. what is the longest chapter in the bible?

  psalms 119. there are 594 chapters before psalms 118, and 594 after.. 594 plus 594 equals 1188. this points to psalms 118:8, which reads:.

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  Exact Center? - BETHEL! Per the current JW "Encyclopedia", "Insight On the Scriptures" Volume 1 p296 states:
  "BETHEL .. became renowned as a center of false worship"
  By their own words are they condemned.

  I will now focus on why the prominent occupants thereof bear the mark of the beast - please see thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42285&site=3

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  Let him that hath understanding: 6-6-6

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  among some wonderful material from elsewhere, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42268&site=3 asks where lies the exact center (of wickedness).. exact center?

  per the current jw "encyclopedia", "insight on the scriptures" volume 1 p296 states:.

  "bethel .. became renowned as a center of false worship".

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  Among some wonderful material from Elsewhere, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42268&site=3 asks where lies the EXACT CENTER (of wickedness).
  Exact Center? BETHEL! Per the current JW "Encyclopedia", "Insight On the Scriptures" Volume 1 p296 states:
  "BETHEL .. became renowned as a center of false worship"
  By their own words are they condemned.

  I will now focus on SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SIX, with the help of the learned Watchtower.

  Pick up the earlier Watchtower Bible Encyclopedia "Aid To Bible Understanding", 1969, and look up JEHOVAH - you will find the entry for this on page number 666...

  Revelation 13:11-18 says:
  "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had
  two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth
  all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth
  and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly
  wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire
  come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth
  them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he
  had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell
  on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had
  the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life
  unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both
  speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the
  beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great,
  rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand,
  or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he
  that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his
  name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the
  number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is
  Six hundred and sixty six." (KJV)

  Well, so we know what Jehovah-of-the-Watchtower is: the name of the one whose number is 666. Per the Watchtower's own reference book.

  And "The true servants of God would be called out to be 'a people for his name.' (Acts 15:14) Thousands of times in the Bible, the name of God - Jehovah in English - is mentioned. But from whom have you heard this name? You know that if it were not for Jehovah's witnesses you likely would never have heard the name" (The Watchtower, August 1 1971 p466).

  So the Watchtower itself shows that the dubs are a people for the name of the one whose number is 666.. my, my, my. Coincidence, Elsewhere?

  here is this very wisdom explained by Charles Taze Russell (the founder
  of the Watchtower), in the January/February 1882 edition of the Watchtower
  on pages 9 and 10:

  'THE NAME OF THE BEAST, OR THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME.' B. Have you been able to decipher the name and number? I have heard of many who have tried all sorts of names and applications, but none of them ever seemed reasonable to me.
  A. The same has been my difficulty. A little over a year ago I spoke on the subject of this same chapter to the name-less little company of 'this way,' in Lynn, Mass. , and concluded my remarks by telling them that I had never seen a satisfactory explanation of the 666. And, though I thought I had given a correct analysis of the symbols of the chapter, yet I could not claim it to be wisdom, since I could not interpret the number. I suggested, however, that if ours be the correct understanding of the time in which we are living-the 'harvest' of the age-and if our general application of these symbols be correct, the number should soon be understood. I urged examination on the subject by all, for the Lord is sometimes pleased to give wisdom through the weakest of his children. 'Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou hast ordained praise. ' About three months after, I received a long letter from one of the thinking brethren of that place, saying that he thought he had the key; and I think he has; it certainly fits the lock in every particular. I will give it to you very much as he suggested it. His process of
  reasoning was as follows: Jesus, who gave this revelation to us (Rev. 1:1), well knew that this symbol could not be understood until about the present time, for the reason that the Image was only made in 1846. Jesus also knew, of course, that English would be the language used by probably four-fifths
  of his earnest truth-seeking children, in the 'time of the end. 'He knew, also, that not many wise, not many great, not many learned in all languages would be of the chosen 'little flock. ' Moreover, it was his
  custom to adapt his teachings to the 'common people,' and of this sort his Jewels have been from, the twelve disciples and since. Therefore it would appear that the number 666, should be open to the comprehension of us all-we being the ones told to count-as much so as were the other symbolic numbers of Danl. and Rev. Let us try, then, to apply these figures in English. *(This is the first application in English, known to the writer, but the reasonableness of it is obvious.) First, then, the number is that of the (first) BEAST. Let us see whether it will apply to some of its names, That system which Paul calls the man of sin is the Roman Catholic power = 666.
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  He is in Revelation called a BEAST
  Roman Catholic 'Beast' = 666.
  The system is also called the 'woman' (Rev. 17:18)
  Roman Catholic 'woman' = 666.
  She calls herself the
  'Holy Catholic Church' = 666.
  She is really and truly (Rev. 17:5) 'The Mother of Harlots' = 666.
  Thus we see that the number fits the BEAST well.
  The second BEAST was anxious to have exactly the same name, and in fact it claimed to have the pre-eminent right to the name- 'Holy Catholic church,' = 666.
  Other names by which it is often known, are -
  'English State Church,' = 666.
  'The Episcopal Church,' = 666.
  'Episcopalian Church,' = 666.
  'The Church of England,' = 666.
  This application of the number, will doubtless appear to some too simple to be accepted, but thus God ever deals with us-hiding truth under the vail of its own simplicity, so that it may appear to the Greek (worldly wise) foolishness, but unto them which believe (not to those who believe without evidence, but who believe on the strongest kind of evidence -the harmony of His Word) the power of God, and the wisdom of God. (1 Cor. 1:23.) The Image causes all who claim relationship, or whom it recognizes, as having a right to buy or sell - teach - to have as a creed, that which shall mark them as having either 'the name' of the BEAST, or the 'number' of his name - 666. Many take the name and in their creeds recite, 'I believe in the 'Holy Catholic Church' = 666. Among those who thus openly mark themselves in their forehead (by their creeds) are Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians and others. But others give a seeming support (mark in their hand) to the general principal by organizing under various sectarian names. After these are blended in the IMAGE, (and no one would be admitted to membership in the Evangelical Alliance, unless he be a member of some such sect), they all are collectively known as the 'Protestant Churches,' = 666. Which we see contains the Beast's number. If we for instance were to organize, though we protest more than all others against the errors of Rome, and also against the errors of the Image and second BEAST, yet we would not be reckoned one of the 'Protestant churches,' because we would not be recognized as orthodox-They would not count our organization a church. Should you inquire for our meetings and ask - Is that a protestant church which meets here? the answer would come - Oh, no; they are not Evangelical. They have no creed to mark them, so that the Alliance can decide whether they are an Evangelical Protestant Church or not.

  Quite hilarious how this 6+6+6 "logic" is applied to modern English spelling - a bit like those pyramid passage lengths expressed in inches (a measure that was meaningless to the Egyptian architects).

  However, New Light prevailed, and a totally contradictory explanation of "666" surfaces in that most absurd Watchtower publication ("The Finished Mystery", 1917, page 215) - allegedly also endorsed by Russell (now dead and in no position to deny this - I can find no record of the Convention Question in reply to which he allegedly gave this explanation, and I warrant no reference to it appears in any Russell publication):

  Revelation 13:18
  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath (understanding) AN EAR count the number of the beast.- 'Here is scope for ingenuity. Let people of shrewd intelligence calculate the number of the Wild Beast; for it indicates a certain man, and his number is 666.'- Weym. For it is the number of a man.- The Man of Sin, the Papacy.- Rev. 19:20; 2 Thess, 2:3.
  (And his number is) Six hundred threescore and six.- In the Greek this number is six hundred (represented by the Greek letter 2), plus sixty (represented by the Greek letter), plus sixty (represented by the Greek
  letter +). It is not as though it read six plus six plus six. 'The following extract on this point is from a work entitled The Reformation, bearing the date of 1832: ''Mrs. A.,' said Miss Emmons, 'I saw a very curious fact the other day; I have dwelt upon it much, and will mention it. A person, lately, was witnessing a ceremony of the Romish Church. As the pope passed him in the procession, splendidly dressed in his pontifical robes, the gentleman's eye rested on these full, blazing letters in front of his mitre (tiara- crown): VICARIVS FILII DEI, the Vicar of the Son of God. His thoughts, with the rapidity of lightning, reverted to Rev. 13:18.'
  'Will you turn to it?' said Mrs. A. Alice opened the New Testament, and read: 'Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.' She paused, and Miss Emmons said, 'He took out his pencil, and marking the 'numerical letters of the inscription on his tablet, it stood 666.'' (Smith.)
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  C-100
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  This explanation was approved by Pastor Russell, and was given by him at a Convention Question Meeting. On the pope's crown in the Vatican museum is the recognized and most used title of the pope, VICARIVS FILII DEI (Vicar of the Son of God.) The word VICARIVS is on the top of the threefold crown. The word FILII is on the second circlet; and the words are made from dark, shining precious jewels. The word DEI is on the under part of the threefold crown and is made of 100 diamonds. 'The Tiara is a bee-hive shaped, somewhat bulging head-covering, ornamented with three crowns. It is first mentioned by Pope Constantine, in A.D. 715. It first appears on papal coins in the reign of Sergius III., A.D. 911. At this period it was merely a cap of white stuff. The papal coins of the 11th century leave it doubtful whether the ornamental band at the lower edge of the tiara is intended to represent a crown or merely a decoration. It is only in representations dating from the late 13th century that the circlet appears as a regular spiked crown. The second circlet was added by Pope Boniface VIII., A.D. 1303. The third was added under Clement V., A.D. 1311.' (Brit.) The reason for the addition of any of these crowns is unknown, or why the pope should have any crown at all. The words VICARIVS FILII DEI are, it is said, also carved over the entrance to the Vatican.

  Note the "It is not as though it read six plus six plus six" explicitly ridicules their own earlier (1882) reasoning, which viewed 666 in exactly that way! Flickering crazily, New Light strikes.

  But I have something to point out. Using the 1882 definition of "666" i.e. the one that yields:
  'Holy Catholic Church' = 666
  we ALSO get:

  'Charles Taze Russell' = 666

  to add to what we already proved above, that:

  'Jehovah' = 666

  The Watchtower Society and the Jehovah's Witnesses Cult is an embodiment of SPIRITUAL PORNOGRAPHY, a WOLFISH TRICK, a MOST FILTHY LIE, a CHEAT, a SCAM, a DISGUSTING ABOMINATION, a BLASPHEMOUS INSULT, a WICKED FRAUD, a DISGRACE, a SCANDAL, a PEDOPHILE PARADISE - and a DAMNED OUTRAGE from start to finish.

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