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  Are "YOU" this happy ????

  by ladonna in

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  teeheee....... anyone recognize the total happiness pictured here????.

  remember how happy we are all supposed to be????.

  here is a reminder!!!

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  fodeja

  Considering the picture is meant to illustrate the happiness felt AFTER the resurrection has begun taking place, I guess the question whether one has ever been that happy, is rather irrelevant.

  I see. So this isn't about today's spiritual paradise, supposedly found in JW congregations.

  These people are hysterically happy after having witnessed (sorry for the pun) the most gruesome mass-slaughter of all history, and now they are praising the slaughterer because he's resurrecting some people who happened to die before that spectacular event.

  If you ask me, this matches exactly my definition of the word "evil". Pure, undiluted evil.

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  Nourishment for the Spirit

  by Maximus in

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  my observation is that persons who 1) heal/adjust the most rapidly from their jw experience and 2) seem to have the most joy in life are those who read, read, read, in pursuit of what i call nourishment for the spirit.

  i've really enjoy the pithy aphorisms you use here, which suggests you've distilled some wisdom from somewhere.

  i'm going to ask your help in this thread.

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  fodeja

  Dostoevsky, The Grand Inquisitor ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0023406003/ )

  A short dialogue between Jesus and the senile grand inquisitor, taken from Dostoevsky's "The Brothers Karamazov". Simply brilliant.

  Those who liked "Siddharta" by Hermann Hesse may also want to look into his "Demian", which is somewhat similar in spirit. It's almost like another perspective of the same theme.

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  Adoption by Jehovah's Witnesses is blocked

  by expatbrit in

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  adoption by jehovah's witnesses is blocked .

  the independent - united kingdom; may 26, 2001. by brian farmer.

  a couple originally approved by a council as adoptive parents have been refused permission by social workers to adopt a child, because they are jehovah's witnesses.

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  fodeja

  largo,

  I'm afraid you flunked the test, but I saw at least a little bit of promising effort. Come back in two weeks. Use the time to do your research at, for instance, http://www.jwbloodreview.org and http://www.ajwrb.org . You know, some people have really taken the time to find out. Actually, most people around here have. You should, too.

  the use of blood for medical purposes is nothing new. egyptians drank from blood to a roman naturalist, Pliny, report that human blood was a treatment for epilepsy. so its nothing that was not heard of in biblical times.

  And how is a blood transfusion similar to drinking blood? Mind you, this question has already been beaten to death. So you may want to do your research first and come back prepared.

  but why would Jehovah not allow us to take in something that could preserve our life? well because it was something special to him and he wanted it to be special for us and his followers respect that.

  You really, really should try to read the book you claim to believe in.

  i think that it is being looked at way to close and nit picking instead of accepting.

  If I were a person who's never been in contact with Witnesses before, I would conclude from your statements that

  * JWs do whatever their senile leaders tell them (even if it means to let their children die)
  * in spite of claims to the contrary, they don't accept the bible as their primary authority ("that's just nitpicking")
  * whenever someone takes the time to present actual argumentation, they simply ignore it and repeat their mantra again
  * they make lots of spelling mistakes.

  You're giving a very, very bad witness here.

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  Adoption by Jehovah's Witnesses is blocked

  by expatbrit in

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  adoption by jehovah's witnesses is blocked .

  the independent - united kingdom; may 26, 2001. by brian farmer.

  a couple originally approved by a council as adoptive parents have been refused permission by social workers to adopt a child, because they are jehovah's witnesses.

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  fodeja

  but that still does not change the fact that Jehovahs asks his fatihful followers to abstain from blood

  Hold it, hold it.

  1) Who, exactly, told which persons, exactly, in which context, exactly, to abstain from blood?

  2) Abstain from DOING what with blood? Touching it? Looking at it? Writing your name in the snow with it? Painting your windows with it? Eating it? Please give exact references.

  and in modern day blood transfusions fall in that catagory

  3) Who says that, exactly?
  4) Does the person(s) have the authority to make such decisions in the name of God?

  Please give exact references and write clearly. This is an open-book test, you can even ask your neighbour.

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  Adoption by Jehovah's Witnesses is blocked

  by expatbrit in

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  adoption by jehovah's witnesses is blocked .

  the independent - united kingdom; may 26, 2001. by brian farmer.

  a couple originally approved by a council as adoptive parents have been refused permission by social workers to adopt a child, because they are jehovah's witnesses.

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  fodeja

  Even if my mother wasn't a JW's, I'd still be against blood trans
  fusions. I'd take the fake blood anyday. When you see cases where
  a person gets a blood transfusion and years later, they find out
  they have some kind of disease and they've possibly passed it on to
  their kids, no thanks.

  Underlying assumption: "blood" therapies have risks, "non-blood" therapies do not.

  The medical community does not have even remotely the same kind of long-term experience with what you call fake blood, that it has collected during decades of blood-based therapies. There may be serious risks involved with alternatives like HemoPure (which, as you may not know, is made from bovine blood), just like with any other therapy.

  The JW "argument from health risk" is just plain idiotic. "We don't just refuse blood because Jehovah doesn't like it. We also refuse it because it's dangerous". Huh?

  First, is it better to give up and die (risk of death = 100%) than to try a potentially life-saving therapy (risk of death < 100%)?!

  Second, why don't JWs refuse antibiotics or any other medical treatment which has known side-effects, some of them very serious? If Jehovah is so concerned about health issues, why didn't he warn his faithful followers to avoid drugs like Contergan?!

  Third, if you claim that blood therapies are dangerous, present facts. I want to see data, not rumours. No Afake! articles full of unattributed quotations by some doctor, torn out of context to twist the meaning. No stories told at the Kingdom hall. Not what Brother Y heard from Sister Z telling what her mother-in-law was told by her sister, who cleans the local veterinarian's windows for a living. If possible, add comparisons to alternative "bloodless" therapies. Give me full references to serious medical journals that I can look up at the University library. No gossip.

  If you can't, it's probably better to stick to holy writ, revelations, personal communication with the Holy Spirit or whatever. Whenever JW writers try to fake their way through any sort of science, they fail miserably.

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  UK pub rules?

  by Moxy in

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  was at a gathering yesterday where i was told about a sister from here in canada who had visited the uk and asked to go to a 'pub' just to see an authentic english pub.

  the brothers apparently were shocked at her suggestion since uk jws do not go to pubs.

  it would be equivalent to a north american going to a niteclub.

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  fodeja

  Yup, bang on! Her Ladyship enjoys a spritzer as an alternative to her normal Famouse grouse with ice.

  And I used to think that drinking scotch with ice is a capital offence in Britain...?!

  BTW, the canonical, Viennese form of Spritzer is, of course, "G'spritzter". Now let's hear you pronounce that :-)

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  UK pub rules?

  by Moxy in

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  was at a gathering yesterday where i was told about a sister from here in canada who had visited the uk and asked to go to a 'pub' just to see an authentic english pub.

  the brothers apparently were shocked at her suggestion since uk jws do not go to pubs.

  it would be equivalent to a north american going to a niteclub.

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  fodeja

  Englishman,

  is a "Spritzer" the same as it is in Austria: wine (usually white) plus soda water? I've never heard that word anywhere outside of Austria before, even less in England...

  A point worth noting is that a British pub is nothing like a drinkers bar.

  During my stays in the USA and Canada I've often missed the equivalent of a Pub or a Beisl/Wirtshaus (which is the Austrian/Southern German equivalent of the Pub, of course with slight differences). It's just not the same as a "bar", and definitely not a "restaurant" or a "club". Hmm...I sense a market niche there!

  f., who loves cultural studies connected to drinking ;)
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  Germany, the "truth" is worth lying...

  by Norm in

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  the multinational printing empire and con operation in brooklyn better known as the watchtower society is in a desperate struggle to appear mainstream and normal to the general public all over the world.

  after over 100 years of publishing the most insane drivel and countless failed predictions this is of course an uphill struggle.. what makes it even harder is that they merely want to foster the illusion that the watchtower society is mainstream.

  they have no wish for it to actually be mainstream.

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  fodeja

  In response to a so-called Enquete Commission hearing the Watchtower Society has made a 7 page document which among other things state:

  It should probably be noted that this hearing was *not* connected to the WTS per se, or their attempts to be recognized as a church. The hearing was initiated by some sort of parliamentary commission on the future of voluntary social work (or whatever else "bürgerschaftliches Engagement" is supposed to mean).

  I guess the WTS just saw a chance to be heard - and since they weren't under an oath of any sort, they could lie as much as they wanted ;-)

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  Germany, the "truth" is worth lying...

  by Norm in

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  the multinational printing empire and con operation in brooklyn better known as the watchtower society is in a desperate struggle to appear mainstream and normal to the general public all over the world.

  after over 100 years of publishing the most insane drivel and countless failed predictions this is of course an uphill struggle.. what makes it even harder is that they merely want to foster the illusion that the watchtower society is mainstream.

  they have no wish for it to actually be mainstream.

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  fodeja

  You said the WTS wants recognition in Germany? Why is this an issue? Don't they have the freedom to preach?

  Of course they have that freedom. Possible reasons:

  1) Money: recognized churches enjoy a number of additional tax benefits.
  2) Official recognition is hoped to remove that sticky "cult" stigma.
  3) Money.
  4) Attention: nobody gives a damn about the JWs nowadays. I bet quite a good percentage of people don't even know they exist. Their legal struggles, however, earn them at least a little bit of attention in the media.
  5) Money.
  6) Distraction: membership is on a slow but steady decline, baptismal figures are falling and falling and falling. The WTS's adventures in the legal world may distract the R&F from that for a while.

  Did I mention "money"?

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  Please, I need a translation...

  by sf in

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  babelfish cannot do it.

  what language is this?

  and where else might i go for translation?.

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  fodeja

  What language is this?

  Indonesian ("Baha Indonesia"), If I'm not mistaken.

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