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  This site is BAD for me!!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  it's making me want to rush the convincing of my wife - i want confrontation now, and i want it to go good, and i want her out with me!

  how can you folks do this to me... before starting on this site i was just trying to get by myself w/ my decision - see what you've done!!!!

  now i'm convinced i have to talk to her and make her see what i see!!

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  What do YOU really want to happen??

  Of course i really would like her to see the facts as I do and decide that she no longer needs that mind control either. However, no matter how much I would love that, I can live with her not changing her mind as long as she accepts me. So best possible scenerio - she realizes the falsehoods within the org and we support each other in the exit, next best she doesn't agree but lets me do my thing without emotional repurcussions and constant guilt trips. I don't want to think about the other choices right now. That's the sad thing - I'm willing to accept her for whoever she wants to be, but don't know if she can return the favor - I have no doubt of her love but we all have seen the control that's there. Her having a zillion relatives around that are deeply ingrained will not help the situation. She'll either see the logic or she won't - that's why I know I have to present it at the right time in the right way - but where you can make a crack in the society's concrete maybe something will grow.

  Just frustrating when you already have the open mind and all the evidence...
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  This site is BAD for me!!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  it's making me want to rush the convincing of my wife - i want confrontation now, and i want it to go good, and i want her out with me!

  how can you folks do this to me... before starting on this site i was just trying to get by myself w/ my decision - see what you've done!!!!

  now i'm convinced i have to talk to her and make her see what i see!!

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  It's making me want to rush the convincing of my wife - i want confrontation now, and i want it to go good, and i want her out with me! how can you folks do this to me... before starting on this site i was just trying to get by myself w/ my decision - see what you've done!!!! now i'm convinced i have to talk to her and make her see what i see!! how could you???

  Morph 'tongue in cheek'
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  Has money taken over...

  by emptywords in

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  2. experiences

  i have found that at every assembly being circuit, district or one day, they are always, always in deficit, why is this, at the last circuit assembly they said that it cost 6,000 for electicity for two days, and that to me was just embarrassing, i asked the sister next to me if what i heard was correct, and yes she said in debt for the weekend because of electricity.. another thing is the soliciting of property from older ones, i know that they do this with anyone that has property (especially older ones that have no heirs).

  to leave their assets to the wts, because the governments will take it if you die.

  but also what they can leave to the wts would be appreciated if they have family heirs left, i have seen this soliciting in the wt mags on occastions.. what is you're experience if any on this.. cheers.

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  During that meeting, the convention chairman reads all the donations and expenses, and PROPOSES to the meeting that "we send to the Society a donation in the amount of $xx,000" from the funds donated. Note: the amount proposed is ALWAYS more than what has already been received, putting us "in the red". The vote is put to the elders in the meeting to YAY or NAY the contribution amount. (Let's see a show of hands: how many of you, WHEN YOU WERE A WITNESS, if you'd been an elder, would have stood up and said "HELL NO!"... of course, the motion passes).

  That $$-to-NY-donation amount is rarely itemized to the crowd, so you'll just hear "expenses incurred so far this convention have totalled $yy,000, leaving us with a deficit of $zz,000. We're confident of your continued support and thank you in advance for your heartfelt contributions."

  very very interesting. i was never an elder so wasn't privy to that arrangment as well. so not only did they not count some money already donated in the contributions but listed an expense that wasn't necessarily needed as incurred....tricky tricky.
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  Wife and kids left me

  by thepackage in

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  long story short, (i'll post it later), after many years of problems with the wts my wife and kids left me and she has filed for divorce (no adultery was committed).

  feeling really sad right now.

  i was a great husband and father, however, i could not take the thought of going to any more meetings and have over the last year started to find was to avoid meetings.

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  Terribly sorry to hear it. Best of wishes in the coming months as you deal with this. Remember it's not your fault or decision. I had a friend who left and his wife and he seperated and he has done well at rebuilding and re-establishing himself, so there is a future. For now know our thoughts and prayers are with you.

  Morph
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  Has money taken over...

  by emptywords in

  1. jw
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  i have found that at every assembly being circuit, district or one day, they are always, always in deficit, why is this, at the last circuit assembly they said that it cost 6,000 for electicity for two days, and that to me was just embarrassing, i asked the sister next to me if what i heard was correct, and yes she said in debt for the weekend because of electricity.. another thing is the soliciting of property from older ones, i know that they do this with anyone that has property (especially older ones that have no heirs).

  to leave their assets to the wts, because the governments will take it if you die.

  but also what they can leave to the wts would be appreciated if they have family heirs left, i have seen this soliciting in the wt mags on occastions.. what is you're experience if any on this.. cheers.

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  this was probably about 5 years ago - so i hold no claim that it is still true - BUT i served in the accounting department during a couple of assemblies and there was a huge thing that bothered me. When they announced the "current" contributions in the afternoon break they excluded anything taken in at lunch that day (which would be the time i imagine when a great money contribute). what was announced was anything gathered before the session started. i specifically remember a brother getting very upset in the money counting room about it because he thought it was not honest - annoucing a deficit when it was already probably taken care of. and i started paying more attention and it did always seem like there was a 2-3 thounsand dollar deficit in the afternoon session but the next assembly it was always 'we ended the last assembly with a surplus of 5-6 thousand' so we sent 1-2 thousand off to the WTBTS
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  I'm being hounded again

  by Frequent_Fader_Miles in

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  my mom's bugging me again about "considering going back to meetings".

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  "I know that it makes them unhappy, but the only thing that my lifestyle offers them is freedom. This is a big deal to me, and something I appreciate, but they're not the type to want it.:"

  that is a huge point. i think about my parents and their relationship with each other and i think if you took away this hope and these time fillers for them they would end up seperated. they were on the fast track there from what i understand before they started studying. for some of us it's more of just wanting understanding for our views then needing to change theirs. now my siblings are young enough that i hope to work on them slowly over time.
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  Something I noticed in the famous "1975" Watchtower article...

  by B_Deserter in

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  i decided to read for myself the articles my father and mother were reading during this interesting time in witness history.

  i stumbled upon the following paragraph that scared the bejeezus out of me: .

  "one thing is absolutely certain, bible chronology reinforced with fulfilled bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of mans existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation!

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  My parents were actually baptized in 1975 - i've never asked them but i can only assume they were caught up into somebody reasoning with them that it was just around the corner. Since i was only about 3 at the time i'm not really familiar with what was actually being said. But the just around the corner mentality has never faded. i remember secretly wishing that it would hold off for a few years so i could experience graduation from high school, and then wishing it would hold off a few more till i got married. after that, i didn't care - it could come, i was ready
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  Newbies, Lurkers, Come on In, the water is nice.......

  by AK - Jeff in

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  go ahead.

  make that plunge, your first post.

  stay cloaked, or open up.. let the healing begin, the questions to flow.

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  Metamorphosis

  As a recent lurker who has made the dive (more of a cannonball jump since I'm not a good diver ) I'll second Jeff's statement - thanks all for the much appreciated comments and greetings. You may or may not agree w/ everything posted on this site but for once there is positive discussion of all things with open minds, well thought out responses, and a willingness to accept even when there is a difference in opinion. Wow - what a refreshing perspective. I think i'll swim a few laps.

  Morph
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  Using School Assignments to Give a Witness

  by Mysterious in

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  anyone remember all the examples of youths being encouraged to work something about the jws into school assignments on abortion, evolution, volunteer work etc?

  i remember cheekily ending an essay with "remember the theory of evolution is just that, a theory" in about 8th grade but that was about it.

  i did just get a fantastic a grade mark on my philosophy paper on shoudl parents have the right to refuse life saving medical treatment for infants and children too young to decide for themselves.

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  i actually had a teacher in high school once make me redo a paper because all my references were watchtower and awake magazines. talk about embarrassing.
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  So I went to see Fantastic Four last night and.............

  by free2think in

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  i thought it was pretty good.

  i have seen the first one mind you, so a few things didnt make sense but it was pretty easy to catch up with the plot.

  of course the hot guys helped a little.

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  Saw it and really enjoyed it. While i liked the darkness of the Batman Begins movie - i also enjoyed the light side of this one. The witty and joking banter between the 4 is what helps make this an enjoyable movie.

  movie i'm looking forward to also - Transformers. those were the hottest things when i was 13 or so and the special effects look off the chart