i've been reading this forum a for some time now.
since i find myself on a crossroad i decided to start participating.
i was at gilead in 1980 and remember standing in de elevator alone with ray franz, how just gave us a lecture.
So, is there an honorable, possitive way out, ..........? |
Many us here have avoided being disfellowshipped and are fading. But I'm afraid we are no longer looked upon as dignified and honourable members of the congregation and many are very sad about this.
But regarding your own family, I think what awake&watching said is very true.
thank you for joining this site.
your inner knowledge is simply fascinating.
please tell us more!!!!
guys please remember that these poor ex bethelites have lost everything including their home. They may all be living in a hostel for all we know and it may be that there is just one computer that everyone in the hostel must share.
Paulapollos please feel free to ignore questions that sound daft (including mine)
i've been reading this forum a for some time now.
since i find myself on a crossroad i decided to start participating.
i was at gilead in 1980 and remember standing in de elevator alone with ray franz, how just gave us a lecture.
My son was recently for an healthcare internship in Ghana and entered a kingdom hall, first time in years (apart from memorial). The brothers were só kind and invited him afterwards for dinner at their home, they gave him loads of fresh fruits to take with him to his room and toured him through town. In the hall one very small child looked up to him and asked: are you Jesus? Because of my son's appearance....they all laughed and were completely relaxed about everything. I was só grateful to those persons because I was worried about his security in Africa. Maybe such brushes of occasional contact would be the perfect way to stay in....but I know that a permanent member has no such a 'break'. I did notice that my son loved to tell me about it more than for himself. When he explained that he is not attending in his country etc...maybe to exlain his looks, they laughed it away, ?don't tell us it's ok, it's good you are here now that's enough...' Would't that be marvelous if that was the standard welcome for inborn/unbaptized/inactive visitors..? |
that is a lovely experience, not sure yet . These are the sorts of things I really like and admire about witnesses. When I go to the hall I try to think of such moments
i've been reading this forum a for some time now.
since i find myself on a crossroad i decided to start participating.
i was at gilead in 1980 and remember standing in de elevator alone with ray franz, how just gave us a lecture.
not sure yet - have you considered that your children may already be emotionally past JWs and they don't say anything to you to spare your feelings because they think it stll means a lot to you?
for myself I still carry lots of innocent soothing memories of being a witness and I wonder if like me your children would keep those memories regardless of whether or not they see the teachings as questionable.
a few months ago there was a thread about a couple of elders at the mill hill bethel being disfellowshipped because they disagreed with some wt doctrine (i can't recall exactly what it was) and that several other betheliteswere under 'investigation'.
i haven't heard anything since, does anyone know anything more about this?.
borghater xx.
the brother who mans the legal desk has an american accent - a little bird told me. Apparently they don't share their names. All they will give you is a ref number. Does anyone know who this would be? thanks
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wt question from readers wt 11/15/2011.
is it proper to use the term "iam 3rd generation witness" in the light of the new understnding of the term "generation"?.
no, it is unscriptural now.
lol - too funny
i haven't followed the generation change in the doctrine that closely, just read a few snippets of the overlapping generations doctrine.
i find this hard to believe even for the pathological liars the governing body.. has anyone seen the 4/15/2010 watchtower with their own eyes?.
can anyone validate that the wtbts really is saying this overlapping generation idea the way it is being quoted on the internet in a few places?
"quite a lot hinges on a key word "evidently"" Note To Faithful And Discreet Slave: Please provide said "evidence" to rebuff apostates. |
Agonus, the evidence is in the paragraph below
| How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation |
In other words the FDS are saying 'we are an apocalyptic cult, this is how we identified ourselves when we began in 1874-1914, and as we are still functioning as such, it has to be true that anointed ones will be generating overlaps within one generation to infinity ... this will get the apocalyptic message preached forever
i haven't followed the generation change in the doctrine that closely, just read a few snippets of the overlapping generations doctrine.
i find this hard to believe even for the pathological liars the governing body.. has anyone seen the 4/15/2010 watchtower with their own eyes?.
can anyone validate that the wtbts really is saying this overlapping generation idea the way it is being quoted on the internet in a few places?
quite a lot hinges on a key word "evidently"
i went last week and took it after studying on my own for months.
i thought i needed some help so i went and signed up for ged classes.
they test you to see where you are.
congratulations noni.
My grandad was also taking classes into old age.
can anyone help me with a quote from a publication studied in '09 that had a box that said jws leave over selfish reasons but not over doctrine?
i think it was studied in the bs but i can't find it and i already tried the search feature.
i remember someone posted about it at the time it was studied.
doctrinal issues softened me up for quietly leaving too.
I've heard of another very recent disfellowshipping. This poor person has been disfellowshipped for something he/she did when he/she was a teenager, 20 years ago (immorality has been hinted at).
