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  Beware of the Strawman argument!

  by Farkel in

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  years ago before i took the time and effort to study logic and argumentation, i went to a market and bought some toothpaste.

  it was a little-known brand and it touted "baking soda" as its magic ingredient.

  it was also cheaper than the name-brand toothpastes and that helped me in my decision.

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  nice strawman argument Farkel - full of irony
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  Question: How, exactly, does philosophy underpin science?

  by bohm in

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  i have seen the statement in the title thrown around a few times (bts, i think looking at you), and i thought i would throw out the question and see what happened.

  i properly need to a few definitions: science will here be defined as both physics and mathematics which in turn is defined as: .

  physics: stuff that happends in a laboratorie and stuff written about what happened or is expected to happend in nature.

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  bts, notverylikely - I don't claim to understand how "telepathy", "imagination" etc works scientifically but as an arts student I can see the logic of it. However I'm willing to put imagination, telepathy etc in inverted commas to suggest that there is more to those faculties than a precise dictionary definition of what the words mean.

  I will say though that part of the logic is to do with the way that membranes function. In this respect I would not restrict skin, a membrane, simply to the empirical sense of touch.
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  Question: How, exactly, does philosophy underpin science?

  by bohm in

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  i have seen the statement in the title thrown around a few times (bts, i think looking at you), and i thought i would throw out the question and see what happened.

  i properly need to a few definitions: science will here be defined as both physics and mathematics which in turn is defined as: .

  physics: stuff that happends in a laboratorie and stuff written about what happened or is expected to happend in nature.

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  bts and notverylikey in answer to your question, there's a whole host of stuff. 2 already mentioned. Imagination mentioned by bohm, telelpathy by snowbird, colour, beauty and what it is .. need I go on
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  Question: How, exactly, does philosophy underpin science?

  by bohm in

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  i have seen the statement in the title thrown around a few times (bts, i think looking at you), and i thought i would throw out the question and see what happened.

  i properly need to a few definitions: science will here be defined as both physics and mathematics which in turn is defined as: .

  physics: stuff that happends in a laboratorie and stuff written about what happened or is expected to happend in nature.

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  okay okay bts - I'm just also cooking dinner - so give me a couple of mins
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  Question: How, exactly, does philosophy underpin science?

  by bohm in

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  i have seen the statement in the title thrown around a few times (bts, i think looking at you), and i thought i would throw out the question and see what happened.

  i properly need to a few definitions: science will here be defined as both physics and mathematics which in turn is defined as: .

  physics: stuff that happends in a laboratorie and stuff written about what happened or is expected to happend in nature.

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  notverylikely you are sharp

  Has any scientist even attempted to explain telepathy? Sure. Many studies have been done but it can't reliably be demonstrated or repeated. However the senses provide us with knowledge that science cannot test. Like?

  I'm going to edit my post to clarify what I mean by "test" which is that the senses provide us with knowledge that cannot be repeated in the lab.
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  Question: How, exactly, does philosophy underpin science?

  by bohm in

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  i have seen the statement in the title thrown around a few times (bts, i think looking at you), and i thought i would throw out the question and see what happened.

  i properly need to a few definitions: science will here be defined as both physics and mathematics which in turn is defined as: .

  physics: stuff that happends in a laboratorie and stuff written about what happened or is expected to happend in nature.

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  why thank you snowbird
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  Question: How, exactly, does philosophy underpin science?

  by bohm in

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  i have seen the statement in the title thrown around a few times (bts, i think looking at you), and i thought i would throw out the question and see what happened.

  i properly need to a few definitions: science will here be defined as both physics and mathematics which in turn is defined as: .

  physics: stuff that happends in a laboratorie and stuff written about what happened or is expected to happend in nature.

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  excellent points bts worth discussing

  Which assumptions? 1) Nature is orderly: regular in pattern and structure. 2) Humans can know nature. They can deduce laws describing its order. 3) Everything has a natural cause. 3) Claims must be subject to objective demonstration to be true: nothing is self-evident. 4) Knowledge can be derived empirically through the senses, whether directly or through augmentation. 5) The senses can be trusted to provide a true knowledge of reality (see number 2 and 4) I am sure there are others. I'd like to add, most of these claims rest on developments in Christian theology/philosophy. It is for this reason that Modern Science emerged in the Christian West...and for the first time in human history. BTS

  but I'm going to disagree with you on point 1 that humans can know nature. I'd like to qualify that statment by saying humans can know how nature affects us. Science then homes in on what from nature causes those effects & affects. And science is very good at this as the info it provides is reliable, factual and usable.

  I agree with 5, that the senses provide true knowledge of reality, but I don't think they(the senses) can be trusted in the same way as knowledge provided by science. However the senses provide us with knowledge that science cannot test (in the sense of verifying in the lab).
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  Question: How, exactly, does philosophy underpin science?

  by bohm in

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  i have seen the statement in the title thrown around a few times (bts, i think looking at you), and i thought i would throw out the question and see what happened.

  i properly need to a few definitions: science will here be defined as both physics and mathematics which in turn is defined as: .

  physics: stuff that happends in a laboratorie and stuff written about what happened or is expected to happend in nature.

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  I think we need to get away from house building structures and using underpinning in that sense only. The relationship between philosophy and mathematics and science only priviliges one or the other if you are studying the subject.

  Going back to your opening post, I would prefer to suggest some sort of parallel structuring like a map for instance and indicate points on the map for science, mathematics and philosophy. So the support is there sideways.
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  A Newbies Story

  by Lets Think in

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  resigned as an elder last week.

  briefly this is my story.

  i was raised as a witness in the 60s and 70s.

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  hiya

  welcome

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  Question: How, exactly, does philosophy underpin science?

  by bohm in

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  i have seen the statement in the title thrown around a few times (bts, i think looking at you), and i thought i would throw out the question and see what happened.

  i properly need to a few definitions: science will here be defined as both physics and mathematics which in turn is defined as: .

  physics: stuff that happends in a laboratorie and stuff written about what happened or is expected to happend in nature.

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  hi bohm

  All three disciplines elucidate from and within nature.

  We sense that nature itself is logical. Both disciplines, science & mathematics in addition to quantifying elements from nature also apply logic to test propositions. Logic underpins philosophy which in turn underpins science and mathematics (and it goes the other way too). hows that

  critical thinking skills seed most disciplines but it is always good to get back to basics