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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  Djeggnog said: "in the past, Jehovah used angels to communicate with men (Hebrews 1:1, 2), but among men He raised up many prophets to speak on His behalf, and, really, except for the archangel that God sent to us, the Lord Jesus Christ, the greatest prophet among men that has ever lived here on earth, they were a ll of these men that prophesied, all represented Jehovah, all spoke in Jehovah's name, as did Jesus, as did Paul, as did Russell, as even do I. When I speak the words of God in your hearing, @Essan, it is it not I that is speaking, but you should know that it is Jehovah that is speaking to you."

  DJeggnogg you sound like the birdcatcher of ps91:3 from whom we need protection. What other reason could there possibly be for your words above?
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  Is there a new 'rule' about disfellowshipping which can make it null and void?

  by whitman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  firstly, if anyone involved in this situation is reading this i hope i haven't overstepped the boundaries by raising this question here.

  i'll try to keep it as anonymous as possible.. so folks this is the situation.

  it has just been brought to my attention that during some type of shepherding call to a a disfellowshipped person who is experiencing serious mental illness as a result of the situation and the shunning from his family (his father is an elder), an interesting twist of events occurred.. one of the 'shepherding' elders asked the d.f-d person whether they had prayed and dedicated his/her life fully to jehovah before the baptism.

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  very interesting whitman.

  I wonder if this has to do with elders being re-invented as independent agents. If this is the case and if the society has been issuing new guidlines then elders and their disfellowshipped family members will benefit first as such disfellowshipped ones have readymade advocates to speak for them.

  I wonder if it is possible to test the waters to see if this really is the case. Disfellowshipped ones would need to have someone speak for them, or have some medical proof about the impact of disfellowshipping and together with this say they were pressured into getting baptized.
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  Belief Polerization: A possible reason JWs are more convinced when facing critical information.

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  suppose two people, alice and bob, have different views upon some controversial issue.

  we might imagine alice is a jehovahs witness and bob is an doubting relative, and the issue could be: is jehovahs witnesses gods organization.

  now we give them both new information, some favorable to the issue being true, others unfavorable.

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  quietlyleaving

  nice points hadit

  It seems to me that studies like the one Bohm mentions in his OP (and even in their highly idealized form) testify to multplicity generating mechanisms within us. But at the same time people can reach a general consesus as in a democracy.
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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  quietlyleaving

  well DJeggnogg, it sounds like you come form a long line of lying charlatans. Truth was/is never part of the preaching work. And by your own words all Jehovahs witnesses are worshipping the devil and are going to be destroyed.

  DJeggnog said

  Believe me, @cantleave, for these worshippers of Jehovah, the rule of imperfect men has disintegrated, and if you don't change course very soon and take up worship of the true God, Jehovah, and stop worshipping the Devil, who accepts all worship that is not based on truth, you will surely perish, and become like an outer garment, wrapped up and changed, and the only thing that'll be in your future is eternal death. (Hebrews 1:11, 12; Matthew 10:28)

  but as for us, Allelulia - we're in the new system awaiting the imminent destruction of Jehovahs witnesses but like Abraham I think I'll pray that they are spared.
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  Belief Polerization: A possible reason JWs are more convinced when facing critical information.

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  suppose two people, alice and bob, have different views upon some controversial issue.

  we might imagine alice is a jehovahs witness and bob is an doubting relative, and the issue could be: is jehovahs witnesses gods organization.

  now we give them both new information, some favorable to the issue being true, others unfavorable.

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  bohm, I wasn't thinking of AIW at all, I was simply using the example from you opening post. The differences between the sexes is only one of the many difference causing mechanisms between how people react to the same evidence. There are loads of other difference generating mechanisms at work in people too.

  But I think the example, that of the difference between the sexes is very pertinent to your topic.
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  Belief Polerization: A possible reason JWs are more convinced when facing critical information.

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  suppose two people, alice and bob, have different views upon some controversial issue.

  we might imagine alice is a jehovahs witness and bob is an doubting relative, and the issue could be: is jehovahs witnesses gods organization.

  now we give them both new information, some favorable to the issue being true, others unfavorable.

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  I agree blues brother

  imo the capacity for belief polarization is actively nullifed and negated by organizations like the WTS. So I'm suggesting the complete opposite of your thread title bohm. If belief polarization causes divergence then this is not present amongst JWs because when they are presented with contrary evidence they tend to remain the same.
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  Belief Polerization: A possible reason JWs are more convinced when facing critical information.

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  suppose two people, alice and bob, have different views upon some controversial issue.

  we might imagine alice is a jehovahs witness and bob is an doubting relative, and the issue could be: is jehovahs witnesses gods organization.

  now we give them both new information, some favorable to the issue being true, others unfavorable.

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  bohm, feminists would argue that gender comes into it. it has been said (Carol Gilligan, In a different Voice) that men value abstraction and separation while women value care and connectedness. Gilligan provdes empirical proof of this.

  Imo this throws light on Bob and Alices opposite responses to the case you mentioned and fits with your conclusion

  Plausible reasoning alone may actually be an adaquate explanation.

  So Alice's responses to the pedophila problem need not be seen as irrational.

  (or perhaps I haven't understood what you saying at all and need more responses from you and/or others to clarify)
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  Atheist believe there is no God? Yes we do, strongly!

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seem to have been a strong increase in entymological arguments lately, more precisely regarding the term atheist.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198111/1/lets-settle-this-for-once-and-for-all-is-atheism-a-belief-a-non-belief-or-an-anti-belief.

  i have reread the thread and i think i see where it goes very wrong.

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  Caedes, Glad you are back as bohm was doubtful about your existence and was convinced he hadn't met you.

  from Bohm on page I

  1) such a person would use a different definition than I do of the word. I suppose such a person has existed, but i have yet to meet such a person. At any rate, it is not a scientifc defensible position.
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  My Family

  by alice.in.wonderland in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  to those that have accused me of insensitivity about abuse:.

  my father and his brother and sisters were raised by a man who became rich in the 1950s.

  he owned a construction company during a housing boom in a metropolitan area.

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  quietlyleaving

  still concerned, thanks for popping by.

  Alice I too was very loyal to the organisation and to local elders as like you I had experienced their Shepherding, their protective authority. My association with JWs for over 30 years has taught me valuable lessons about living in protected environments - they have to function like prisons in order to maintain stability. Nowadays I'd rather live as a fugitive than be a prisoner anymore.

  Bill Bowen's anger and disgust has encouraged many victims of abuse within the organisation to stop remaining silent.
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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  quietlyleaving

  DJ eggnog - how can you sleep at night?