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  do you believe in karma?

  by SpiceItUp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we have all heard the cliche' "what goes around comes around" but do you really believe it?.

  i know this person that for many years has been unkind, devious and vengeful and then over more recent years has had bad luck everywhere they turned around.

  i mean one thing after another.

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  caliber

  think that the group here NOW is much too cynical and likes to mock 'other ways of thinking'.

  It was a good topic back then, Cool, but I don't know about now ...

  Do you speak in jest ? Most likely not

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  Do you believe in karma?

  All that can be said is ......play Russian routette too long and

  you will end up with a bullet in the head !

  

  If nothing else the word karma is a reminder that we are all too human...so to take care with our words and actions
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  Do you believe in Love?

  by freeflyingfaerie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  maybe you are an atheist.. maybe you are agnostic.. you have left a cult, left behind an entire belief system, complete with detailed instructions on how to live..rules to follow for every aspect of your very life.

  you know it was a big lie.. you are now naked, staring at your soul.

  just you, just your own thoughts, just your own voice, your own feelings.

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  caliber

  True love can not be broken ... for it weathers the storm & pain until "in time" quite possibly, in mercy.... it is forgotten

  if I must believe in just one judgement .....it is this

  "to judge individuals based on their character and love toward others"

  but even in this

  tolerance must constrain raw emotions...else our very spirit is made to suffer so !

  It is not our duty... it is not in our natural love to crush and destroy

  Believers and non-believers in love is the greatest question to ponder

  A wonderful quote below....

  Give in to love, or live in fear.
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  What is this primitive notion of SELF-SACRIFICE?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  among jehovah's witnesses self-sacrifice is a price everybody is expected to pay.. members of this religious group are told they are being watched by the world as a public spectacle in an ancient roman coliseum.. all sorts of sacrifices must be transacted to convince jehovah of their sincerety and to titillate the worldly people with spectacular acts of faith.. .

  jw's give up the best secular education and the highest-paying careers.

  it is a sacrifice.. jw's have been urged to give up marriage and child-rearing to devote time to door to door evangelizing work.

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  caliber

  longhairgal ... You make many valid points ... extreme or misguided application of things like...obedient, submissive and self-sacrificing

  are indeed harmful. Still there is cause to ponder for such things as self-sacrifice in war .... is the pacifist view the right one then ?

  The battle for human rights has struggled with this forever .....individual rights verses the benefit to the many (collective good )

  "Religious self-sacrifice "seems to be the biggest bone of contention for many
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  So, I'm probably not an Infidel, per se..

  by freeflyingfaerie in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it's becoming apparent that there are a zillion different names for a zillion different beliefs/non-beliefs out there.

  without pigeon-holing myself under a particular definition, there are a few of which i can pretty closely identify with for the time being.

  maybe agnostic, and then also appreciating the freethought pansies.

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  caliber

  asexual.... doesn't sound like a lot of fun
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  So, I'm probably not an Infidel, per se..

  by freeflyingfaerie in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it's becoming apparent that there are a zillion different names for a zillion different beliefs/non-beliefs out there.

  without pigeon-holing myself under a particular definition, there are a few of which i can pretty closely identify with for the time being.

  maybe agnostic, and then also appreciating the freethought pansies.

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  caliber

  A part of me really wants to believe this, that there is more meaning to the mysteries, beauties, and even suffering of this present life here. An intelligent design of some sort..

  Never let go of this thought

  The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. --Albert Einstein
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  Do you believe in Love?

  by freeflyingfaerie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  maybe you are an atheist.. maybe you are agnostic.. you have left a cult, left behind an entire belief system, complete with detailed instructions on how to live..rules to follow for every aspect of your very life.

  you know it was a big lie.. you are now naked, staring at your soul.

  just you, just your own thoughts, just your own voice, your own feelings.

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  caliber

  I certainly believe in love, but I’ve come to appreciate it in a new way since I left the organization. For me, the wonder was that anyone could love me, that anyone would find me desirable, attractive or a person of real quality. I found it difficult to love myself, so I couldn’t believe that anyone outside my immediate family could or would ever do so or had in the past. How wrong I was!

  Realizing this has made me better at both giving and receiving love now. I don’t think this would have been possible had I remained in the organization.

  .......though we may suffer moments of despair indeed the key is to love who you are first

  Reflections on love

  A glass of red wine spent
  Recalling life's event
  mourning not waking up
  next to my beloved
  To warm my hopeful spirit
  Yet now numbed to the cold
  for life must go on
  to thus bury myself
  In solitude
  For we have walked different paths
  And have known different fears.
  And that which now brings you laughter
  Might well bring me many tears.
  
  I need to explore what sustains me
  from the inside
  when all else falls away.
  I want to know if I can be alone
  with myself
  and if I truly like the company I keep
  in these empty moments
  in this unchosen solitude
  
  Yet solitude rebuilds for but a moment..
  with wishings for loves eternity

  ~~~~ Caliber
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  Do you believe in Love?

  by freeflyingfaerie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  maybe you are an atheist.. maybe you are agnostic.. you have left a cult, left behind an entire belief system, complete with detailed instructions on how to live..rules to follow for every aspect of your very life.

  you know it was a big lie.. you are now naked, staring at your soul.

  just you, just your own thoughts, just your own voice, your own feelings.

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  caliber

  self-centeredness.
  In the same dictionary, the term self-centered has two definitions: 1) independent of outside force or influence: self-sufficient, and 2) concerned solely with one’s own desires, needs, or interests. While the first definition sounds like a virtue, the second is, again, morally pejorative and shame based.

  When I break the word self-centered down into it’s two components and look at their meaning, I get a different picture. Again, self is me, my person, my being. Centered is defined as “emotionally stable and secure”. When I put these together they describe an emotionally stable and secure self.

  Still I believe you must find the fine line between being self-absorbed and self-centred to the point of selfishness.

  I have learned through counsel for the last year or so that you must care for yourself first in order to love others.I had been taught over my life the self-sacrifice was the greated virtue.(more happiness in giving than receiving ) But you must know who you are, and what your personal desires and needs are first , then when you know this..
  reach out to others for shared love.

  When you find your centre and another can accept your centre and vis versa... things should work out

  “Happiness quite unshared can scarcely be called happiness; it has no taste.”

  Charlotte Brontë

  In other words life without external love is like food without seasoning

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCp3-TqzwrY

  Actually love is the centre of the universe !
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  Do you believe in Love?

  by freeflyingfaerie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  maybe you are an atheist.. maybe you are agnostic.. you have left a cult, left behind an entire belief system, complete with detailed instructions on how to live..rules to follow for every aspect of your very life.

  you know it was a big lie.. you are now naked, staring at your soul.

  just you, just your own thoughts, just your own voice, your own feelings.

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  caliber

  Philia ( φιλ?α philía [3] ) means friendship or affectionate love in modern Greek. It is a dispassionate virtuous love, a concept developed by Aristotle. It includes loyalty to friends, family, and community, and requires virtue, equality and familiarity. In ancient texts, philos denoted a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers

  aphilia I take it would mean without this type of love either

  then at least one would like to think you would be left with this natural love like for a parent or child ...

  • Storge ( στοργ? storge [4] ) means "affection" in ancient and modern Greek. It is natural affection, like that felt by parents for offspring. Rarely used in ancient works, and then almost exclusively as a descriptor of relationships within the family. It is also known to express mere acceptance or putting up with situations, as in "loving" the tyrant.

  I still believe and hope for all four types of love

  Agápe Éros Philia Storge
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  What is this primitive notion of SELF-SACRIFICE?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  among jehovah's witnesses self-sacrifice is a price everybody is expected to pay.. members of this religious group are told they are being watched by the world as a public spectacle in an ancient roman coliseum.. all sorts of sacrifices must be transacted to convince jehovah of their sincerety and to titillate the worldly people with spectacular acts of faith.. .

  jw's give up the best secular education and the highest-paying careers.

  it is a sacrifice.. jw's have been urged to give up marriage and child-rearing to devote time to door to door evangelizing work.

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  caliber

  I have noticed that words like obedience, submission, self-sacrifice on JWN are all meant with great revulsion...

  yet is there not a place or balanced view to each one of these words ?

  Can not total exclusion of these principle idea's conveyed , not lead to being Self-absorbed ?

  Have a lot of us maybe grown gun-shy to any would be control at all , in our life's ...much like

  a rape victim can begin to hate and mistrust all men ?
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  Young Ex-JW siblings release song to radio inspired by their experience leaving the cult.

  by Azazel in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  this is a must see for all ex-jws and those thinking of leaving.

  watch for the subtle clues in the video.

  lets get this get this out there.. .

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  caliber

  they sound very professional... excellent

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