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  Women are NOT allowed in the faithful & discreet slave class!!!

  by bytheirworks in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if the "faithful & discreet slave" are no longer the 144,000 but only 8 men... isn't this a huge stepback for jw women's rights?.

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  womens rights...

  
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  A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

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  that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.

  second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.

  you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.

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  WT study where we are not free to actually ask any questions,

  The best way to stay in control if you don't have all the answers to to control the questions.

  You are told if you have questions ask those privately after the study.

  if you choose this course the unspoken rule at this point is "You may ask questions , but don't question the answers "

  Questions stimulate thinking so you are at the WT study to memorize the current thinking that has

  lovingly already been done for you !
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  WT you fargin bastaches!!!

  by insearchoftruth4 in

  1. social
  2. humour

  you lousy cork sockers, you have violated my fargin rights,.

  this somining batchin country, was founded so that the "liberties" of common patriartic citizens..like me.

  could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes like yourselves.. thank you.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPmM632NSbs

  Here are some more adjectives that could come in handy

  " Gifts that keep on giving the whole year"
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  A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.

  second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.

  you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.

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  "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Aristotle

  If questions produce anger , fear-bonds exist & sets up a chain of events in our mind that produce very negative and upsetting external display of " defensive anger"

  .....fear-bonds produce a fear of loss and obscuring of personal feelings, thoughts, values and desires ( true self can in time be totally lost )

  Thus we get the famous movie line "You can't handle the truth"

  .....the blue pill seems much more easy to swallow.

  The opposite of love is not hate but fear which produces anger when under trial or perceived challenge

  Fear bonds create tension... love bonds produce relaxation
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  1975 coverup! Compare the '68 and '81 Truth book scans

  by JimmyPage in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt society pointed to 1975 as the date for the end of the world.

  when the date came and went they changed their publications to remove themselves from the fiasco.

  need proof?

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  The red pill and the blue pill, represent the choice between the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue) and embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red).

  
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  A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.

  second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.

  you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.

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  caliber

  To be fair, maybe it's me. Maybe I've been a JW so long that I cant imagine being part of any movement without unity and love amongst ourselves. How do you folks do it?

  United but not uniform..

  it works by having a measure of respect for individual rights.. united in the principal of religious

  freedom.

  Most person here are united in the thought that all have a right to feel & express their opinion without censorship

  uni·form

  : not varying or changing : staying the same at all times, in all places, or for all parts or members

  having always the same form, manner, or degree : not varying or variable <uniform procedures>

  of the same form with others : conforming to one rule or mode :

  united on prinicipled love

  Love is patient, love is....1 Corinthians 13:4-13 talks about love, what it is and what it is not

  4: Love is patient, love is kind. it

  does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud....does not bragg

  examples of religious pride ... "only we do this... only we believe this"

  "We are the happiest people in the world..."

  "only we have God's blessing and favour"

  only we preach the true message"

  A movement

  Is there some sort of movement here ? I don't know you be the judge

  movement - a group of people with a common ideology who try together to achieve certain general goals

  reform movement - a movement intended to bring about social and humanitarian reforms

  religious movement - a movement intended to bring about religious reforms

  a movement appears to want to change or reform others
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  A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.

  second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.

  you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.

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  in JW-world, "unity" is synonymous with "enforced conformity". And "love" is synonymous with "obedience to WT rules"

  Marching soldiers or bands" marching all in a row" may be pleasing to the eye ... but only for a short time .. then the soldiers want to relax

  not be strifled by such the whole day long !!!

  There are many among your ranks that are there only to preserve family relationships. Your house is divided...

  "Wouldn't this be more akin to black-mail than deep seated love or unity ?

  So yes some live what you call "double lives " because deep inside they know family is the basic unite for strength & love within society and is

  precious to them

  To just be on this site is considered to be "out of formation "
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  A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.

  second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.

  you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.

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  .this is a healthy site....as opposed to the claustrophobic paranoia which shuts down any rational reasoning within the KH......eg ...when I was last at a meeting...12 months ago....a lady raised her hand and asked if she could ask a question relating to the watchtower study.........she was met with a confused look from the conductor who answered tersely no...she couldn't...and then continued with the well rehearsed study..........we're all at different stages of recovery and resettlement after years ...many years.....of being once stalwart jw's.........

  The dark type points are so true... I can even remember being disgusted at a visiting attender at the WT study ( when I attended years ago )

  who had her own version of the Bible ; she made at the time what I thought were "off the wall "comments and had questions.

  I thought to myself " follow the paragraph .... stay with the reasoning of the study" Now I realize she was a free thinker

  and brought out valid points and had questiions and doubts about what was stated in the study.

  I feel sorrow & regret for the "eye rolling" I must have done , not unlike this lady....

  

  Why should procedure and study rules strifle our thinking ?

  I have even heard witnesses say in a given situation "How is it we believe again ?"

  Is it believing or forced instillment ? Conformity for the sake of unity.. is this right for thinking adults ?
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  Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.

  ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.

  london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.

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  I admit I could be wrong about everything. No, im PROBABLY wrong about everything. Also there is no such thing as a historical fact.

  So it's not a historical fact that Islamic extremists flew two hijacked planes into the WTC on 9/11/2001?

  Or the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941?

  That's an absurd and indefensible statement to take....

  Adam

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  But the further you go back before the age of electronic's, photography or before the written word could be

  read by most common folk, things get much more hazy . Also with these modern (above ) events do we truly know

  all the who's, what's and why's besides when's ? As with the Kennedy shooting there may be a huge number of

  historial facts ... but only 50 plus years later have the true facts come out such as the one missing bullet. The more distant

  you get in time will multiply these problems...is this not true ?

  Individual facts such as time and place may be known ... but what about motive and intent ? What is the true picture and reality

  for the way these events unfolded ?
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  A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.

  second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.

  you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.

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  A House Divided Against Itself Falls
  
  This not a house... it is only a discussion forum where you are free to express your thoughts

  Lock-step conformity is not the source of love or true unity ... learn more about true christian freedom... learn about grace

  New Century Version - Even more than all this, clothe yourself in love. Love is what holds you all together in perfect unity. Col 3:14

  the one thing that indicates Jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of Kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters. (John 13:35)

  What is the Gospel message about, the kingdom or about the death and raising of Christ ?

  1 cor15 : 1 ..Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.
  
  2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
  
  3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance [a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
  
  
  But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse. As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse - Gal 1:8,9