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  How many people on here have low self-esteem?

  by Chemical Emotions in

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  i do, so i was just curious.. i know the org tends to attract/cause/contribute to people having low self-esteem, so i figure a lot of people must have it as bad or worse than me..

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  caliber

  thought these were some helpful points quote ...

  People with a healthy level of self-esteem:[15]
  
  * firmly believe in certain values and principles, and are ready to defend them even when finding opposition, feeling secure enough to modify them in light of experience.[16]
  * are able to act according to what they think to be the best choice, trusting their own judgment, and not feeling guilty when others don't like their choice.[16]
  * do not lose time worrying excessively about what happened in the past, nor about what could happen in the future. They learn from the past and plan for the future, but live in the present intensely. [16]
  * fully trust in their capacity to solve problems, not hesitating after failures and difficulties. They ask others for help when they need it.[16]
  * consider themselves equal in dignity to others, rather than inferior or superior, while accepting differences in certain talents, personal prestige or financial standing.[16]
  * take for granted that they are an interesting and valuable person for others, at least for those with whom they have a friendship.[16]
  * resist manipulation, collaborate with others only if it seems appropriate and convenient.[16]
  * admit and accept different internal feelings and drives, either positive or negative, revealing those drives to others only when they choose.[16]
  * are able to enjoy a great variety of activities.[16]
  * are sensitive to feelings and needs of others; respect generally accepted social rules, and claim no right or desire to prosper at others' expense.[16]

  So if you can believe in yourself & your own judgments without total dependance & can carry on with normal activities of life

  work, play and feel comfortable in your own skin you have a reasonable level of self-esteem. We would be balanced in the opinions of others..

  also would seek to stay far away form extremes of "self-loathing " or becoming "self-absorbed "

  Many of my self-esteem issues has stemmed from broken trust... which causes self-doubt

  If we have ever felt "crushed " by another we must in some way beleive something that was said... we must look inward

  and determine why it hurt us so .
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  Pre-emptive shunning - a growing reality

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm scanning through some of the results from the 2012 jw survey as they're coming in.. the most populous of the six voting categories with 76 voters so far is my own category, for those who are inactive, or "faded/fading" (not disfellowshipped or da'd, but no longer reporting time on the ministry).. one statistic already leaping out at me surrounds the question "do you experience 'pre-emptive shunning' from active witnesses, who view you as 'bad association'?

  " of the 74 who voted on this so far, 76% have answered "yes" to this question.. it's early days, and obviously i will have a clearer picture of the extent of the problem once the survey closes at the end of the year.

  however, the results already in suggest that pre-emptive shunning is widespread among inactive ones, despite this not being an "official" policy of the society.. i was interested in your opinions as to why this may be?

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  caliber

  The only "official marking "I know about is done from the platform. No names are mentioned, but the context is made clear so that everyone who knows the so called"sinner" well enough gets the message no name(s) are mentioned, but the "objectionable" behavior is zeroed in on sufficiently so that you (in cong) would know who to apply it to if you saw such. It is still applied directly to only certain individuals therefore

  Pre-emptive shunning is certainly not offical nor applied directly by the congregation body

  I don't think that inactivity without so called "wrong conduct" could be considered a marking unless

  a person was speaking out in some way
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  Pre-emptive shunning - a growing reality

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm scanning through some of the results from the 2012 jw survey as they're coming in.. the most populous of the six voting categories with 76 voters so far is my own category, for those who are inactive, or "faded/fading" (not disfellowshipped or da'd, but no longer reporting time on the ministry).. one statistic already leaping out at me surrounds the question "do you experience 'pre-emptive shunning' from active witnesses, who view you as 'bad association'?

  " of the 74 who voted on this so far, 76% have answered "yes" to this question.. it's early days, and obviously i will have a clearer picture of the extent of the problem once the survey closes at the end of the year.

  however, the results already in suggest that pre-emptive shunning is widespread among inactive ones, despite this not being an "official" policy of the society.. i was interested in your opinions as to why this may be?

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  caliber

  "Pre-emptive shunning" another word that some have used is "snubbing" . If a person is in a grey area

  1) not attending meetings 2) no field service 3) not seen at social gatherings ... wedding, farewells

  4) most of all not at CO visits and Memorial.

  So due to the fear of not knowing which "pigeon hole" to put you in... they play it safe and snubb you.

  "If in doubt leave them out ! " One elderly "sister "once said "if you don't witness you're not a Jehovah's Witness"

  Also as Phizzy said..

  "I think the subliminal hints in the WT literature, and the words of C.O's etc go in to the subconscious of the average dub and they think it is already a WT directive. hence it is quite a widespread practice" ~~~ phizzy
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

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  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  caliber

  "Faith, in the religious sense of the word, refers to maintaining belief in something for which there is insufficient evidence to justify holding the belief. Where the evidence is sufficient, we have no need for faith. But when we want to believe something for reasons other than because the evidence warrants our doing so, faith enters the equation"~~~ Ben Stein (I believe)

  "faith" is often used as a substitute for "hope", "trust" or "belief".

  So needing "absolute proof "would undermine the whole concept above !
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  caliber

  Finally I have made a comment that has" delighted "cofty hahahahaha!

  Have" faith " at least that all things can eventual happen !!

  In the sense of humor I dedicate this song... ha ha ha ha ha !!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R3GtAnO66o
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  caliber

  "It seems to me like there are more atheists on this board (percentage-wise) than there are in general. I talk to many non-jw people in my area (some quite well educated) who believe in God and are quite religious."

  A 2004 BBC poll showed the number of people in the US who don't believe in a god to be about 9%. [10] A 2008 Gallup poll showed that a smaller 6% of the US population believed that no god or universal spirit exists. [31] The most recent ARIS report, released March 9, 2009, found in 2008, 34.2 million Americans (15.0%) claim no religion, of which 1.6% explicitly describes itself as atheist (0.7%) or agnostic (0.9%), nearly double the previous 2001 ARIS survey figure of 0.9%. [32] The highest occurrence of "nones", according to the 2008 ARIS report, reside in Vermont, with 34% surveyed. [33]

  The latest statistics show that a lack of religious identity increased in every US state between 1990 and 2008. [34] However less than 2% of the U.S.

  population describes itself as atheist. [

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

  I believe that from thread response that about 90% (at least of the" vocal majority") are either agnostic or atheist on JWN

  This of course could be way off due to fears or those who feel too much intimidation to say otherwise.... in my opinion only !

  I am not included in the 90%
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  What's your Myers-Briggs?

  by Londo111 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am infp.. some former witnesses in my hometown had a meetup last night...alas, only four of us.

  but it turned out we had an infp(me), two infjs, and an enfp.

  therefore, it turned out we were all idealists.

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  caliber

  "You don't like to argue, you INFP's. That is a huge plus. Every INFP guy I know stands out in very good, subtle ways." ~~FHN

  alright then I'm a INFP

  I.N.F.P.

• Warmly concerned and caring towards others
• Sensitive and perceptive about what others are feeling
• Loyal and committed - they want lifelong relationships
• Deep capacity for love and caring
• Driven to meet other's needs

n Combatting Cult Mind Control, Steve Hassan says that cults try to mold all their members toward becoming one particular type. I believe that JWs are strongly encouraged to be Sensing Thinking Judgers.

or http://www.personalitypage.com/ISTJ.html... duty fulfiller's