i know that when you take a marriage vow, faithfulness is expected and either party going outside that bond is wrong.
however as i read the bible i seem to notice that in the old testament a woman having relations with anyone not her husband was adultery, however the only way a male can commit adultery is to have relations with another married woman, thereby infringing on another mans wife.
if a married man was to have relations with an unmarried woman or prostitute, this isnt considered adultery.
thanks , it gives me a warm feeling ....but the power is found in seeking more deeply the true meaning of scriptures..
many thoughts and expressions I have picked up from the words of others here and there in other discussions
P.S I am truly sorry for the suffering that your sister and even yourself have felt due to your above experience !
i know that when you take a marriage vow, faithfulness is expected and either party going outside that bond is wrong.
however as i read the bible i seem to notice that in the old testament a woman having relations with anyone not her husband was adultery, however the only way a male can commit adultery is to have relations with another married woman, thereby infringing on another mans wife.
if a married man was to have relations with an unmarried woman or prostitute, this isnt considered adultery.
What then is the difference between Christian teachings and moralism ?
John 8 of the woman caught in the act of adultery and brought before Jesus by the Pharisees.
...they figured they had an airtight case of adultery and if Jesus contradicted this, they thought they would be able to charge him with violating the law
of Moses. This is a beautiful account in which Jesus teaches us to remember our own sinfulness, not condemn others
The message of Christianity is that Jesus died for sinners. God will forgive all those who believe on Jesus as their Savior. The Gospel is a personal
message. The sinner is supposed to think of himself, of his sins, and of his need for a Savior. It is a Good News message of grace and forgiveness and
freedom and joy!
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
2 Corinthians 3:6
6 who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life
The moralist, starts out putting obedience first, it is one who loses sight of grace and replaces it with morality
... this not saying that we are not to discern between good and evil and right and wrong doctrine based on the Bible. Certainly, we are. but straight moralism apart from grace is wrong.
i know that when you take a marriage vow, faithfulness is expected and either party going outside that bond is wrong.
however as i read the bible i seem to notice that in the old testament a woman having relations with anyone not her husband was adultery, however the only way a male can commit adultery is to have relations with another married woman, thereby infringing on another mans wife.
if a married man was to have relations with an unmarried woman or prostitute, this isnt considered adultery.
Slavery was commonplace in Old Testament times, all nations had slaves. Israel as a nation were slaves for over 400 years; when they were freed God gave them laws for slaves that were not the same as the other nations. The slaves had rights in Israel’s social system, unlike other nations. When we think of slavery it conjures up the image of racial prejudice, but this was not the case. They did not treat them as non - human or animals but as men made in the image of God.
Eph 6:5-7: “Bondservants, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ; not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men.”
(A bondservant was one who willing to be a slave (servant) and did his work because he loved his master.)
Eph 6:5-7: “Bondservants, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ; not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men.”
1 Tim. 6:2 “And those who have believing masters, let them not despise them because they are brethren, but rather serve them because those who are benefited are believers and beloved. Teach and exhort these things.”
In other words they still have this boss employee relationship, it did not end because they were both believers
Jewish slaves could not be held for more than six years and were given a choice to leave (Exod.21:2). they could voluntarily choose to remain: (Exod.21:5-6).
Slavery was more an occupation, servanthood with rights
Of course there was" abuse of power" over time , thus the need of the New Covenant
Paul speaks of all being baptized into Christ which makes us united, God sees us as equals. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:28) No one is greater than the other if he is their master or has greater wealth or authority.
i know that when you take a marriage vow, faithfulness is expected and either party going outside that bond is wrong.
however as i read the bible i seem to notice that in the old testament a woman having relations with anyone not her husband was adultery, however the only way a male can commit adultery is to have relations with another married woman, thereby infringing on another mans wife.
if a married man was to have relations with an unmarried woman or prostitute, this isnt considered adultery.
heroes still do evil and are never condemned.
Please site your scriptural support or at least some examples for this statement ?
Perhaps you need to ask yourself just who qualified to get this love. Slave owners inthe American South were also kind people as were Nazis. The problem was they werent kind to everyone.
I fail to see the logic.. are you saying that Hilter and the slave owners were professed Christains and failed to apply principled love
therefore the whole christian system is wrong ?
Hitler was a rationalist and materialist, who saw Christianity as a religion "fit for slaves", and against the natural law of selection and survival of the fittest. [ 5 ] Though Hitler had respect for the 'great position' of the Catholic church, Bullock wrote he became hostile to its teachings. [ 5 ] According to the biographer Kershaw, while Hitler was secretive and able to disguise his inner beliefs, he held radical instincts on the "Church Question" in Germany, evidenced by "frequent outbursts of hostility" towards them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
it was two Christians who liberated the slaves: Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr. but what bearing does that have on the truth of God's word... we all stand as individuals before God
i know that when you take a marriage vow, faithfulness is expected and either party going outside that bond is wrong.
however as i read the bible i seem to notice that in the old testament a woman having relations with anyone not her husband was adultery, however the only way a male can commit adultery is to have relations with another married woman, thereby infringing on another mans wife.
if a married man was to have relations with an unmarried woman or prostitute, this isnt considered adultery.
Caliber, what's your point? In a nutshell. ?
I contend that on the bases of your lengthy post (FHN ) (page 2) there appears to be other valid grounds for divorce
aside from adultery . (such as violent abuse and humilation etc ) however it also shows that women indeed had rights
and consideration under the Mosaic law.
I disagree with statements like these.. which were made
Also Jesus speaks of a man not divoricing his wife, except on the grounds of her adultery, again no provisions for her to divorce him for the same.
Also a man could divorce his wife but never the other way around for any reason.
i know that when you take a marriage vow, faithfulness is expected and either party going outside that bond is wrong.
however as i read the bible i seem to notice that in the old testament a woman having relations with anyone not her husband was adultery, however the only way a male can commit adultery is to have relations with another married woman, thereby infringing on another mans wife.
if a married man was to have relations with an unmarried woman or prostitute, this isnt considered adultery.
This mystery has been recently solved by research in ancient Jewish documents where we find that the phrase 'Any Cause' divorce was a legal term equivalent to the modern no-fault divorce He totally rejected the newly invented divorce for 'Any Cause'. The misunderstanding through the centuries has been the belief that Jesus was referring to all grounds for divorce rather than the 'Any Cause' divorce specifically
So here canada we have..
One year separation– No fault Divorce: (any cause )
Adultery or Cruelty (abuse)– For Fault Divorce:(all grounds )
Couples who chose to file a Divorce on the grounds of Adultery or Cruelty are filing what is referred to as a “For Fault Divorce”. This simply means that one spouse is trying to prove that the other is solely at fault for the breakdown of their marriage.
i know that when you take a marriage vow, faithfulness is expected and either party going outside that bond is wrong.
however as i read the bible i seem to notice that in the old testament a woman having relations with anyone not her husband was adultery, however the only way a male can commit adultery is to have relations with another married woman, thereby infringing on another mans wife.
if a married man was to have relations with an unmarried woman or prostitute, this isnt considered adultery.
I think we most certainly can question whether your examples really had anything to do with the real God, or whether some guys made it all up and credited God with the misogynistic oppression of women and girls
Misogyny is rampant throughout the Bible. It's not surprising knowing that the authors of the Bible are Bronze Aged Middle Eastern men.
Has anyone else noticed this double standard?
Yes, I have. Another BIG reason I can't take the Bible seriously.
ADultery in the Bible is simply about women. Only women are ever guilty, condemned or punished.
Inline with the above lengthy post and the one paragraph I highlighted below does anyone wish to retract their quotes above ?
This mystery has been recently solved by research in ancient Jewish documents where we find that the phrase 'Any Cause' divorce was a legal term equivalent to the modern no-fault divorce (see the chapter 'No-fault Divorce'). By means of a legalistic interpretation of the phrase “cause of immorality” in Deuteronomy 24:1, some rabbis allowed divorce for both 'Immorality' and 'Any Cause'. When they asked Jesus what he thought, he confirmed that this phrase referred merely to divorce for adultery (nothing “except sexual immorality”). He totally rejected the newly invented divorce for 'Any Cause'. The misunderstanding through the centuries has been the belief that Jesus was referring to all grounds for divorce rather than the 'Any Cause' divorce specifically
Because we may not have all the facts or understanding is it fair to label the bible as misogynistic ?
How could Paul branded as the most misogynistic of all by some , also write one of the most beautiful verses about love ?
Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. (NAS, 1 Corinthians 13:4-7)
i really enjoyed church today, i have been visting serevel in the last few weeks, all the ones i have been to have been okay, but no more, but today i felt comfortable with everything i seen.
it seemed very doctrinally sound, christ centered and the big bonus i did not hear a word about money!
they did not pass a plate(i dont know if they do but today there was none).
sorry unstopable .. I do that ....add a few more thoughts after posting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eajdq_sgdk.
they need some new dna introduced into their very closely related gene pool.
i don't think many from the outside world are converting leaving a very narrow gene pool.. perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad idea if some of these youths got pregnant durring rumspringa(amish wilding durring youth) thus killing to birds with one stone.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/rumspringa.
Endogamy is the practice of marrying within a specific ethnic group, class, or social group, rejecting others
Class Endogamy
Although American society is easily categorized as a class society, the actual patterns of stratification are difficult to categorize, especiall since they are complexly interrelated to ethnic, racial, and religious considerations. Many studies have shown that Americans tend to marry within general social class boundaries. The pattern is particularly apparent if educational background, a major component of class definition, is considered. A analysis of marriage patterns current in 1988 (Blackwell 1998) revealed a strong tendency for people to seek partners with similar educational attainments, especially at the extreme ends of the hierarchy
i really enjoyed church today, i have been visting serevel in the last few weeks, all the ones i have been to have been okay, but no more, but today i felt comfortable with everything i seen.
it seemed very doctrinally sound, christ centered and the big bonus i did not hear a word about money!
they did not pass a plate(i dont know if they do but today there was none).
it is also a matter of opinion or who you will trust (faith ) or who is the accepted final authority
Unstopable mentioned earlier...
A)to a jw its the wt as directed by God
B)to others its there own view or morals, personal experience
C) the Bible as accepted word of God
D) persons such as scientists (added point )
God either lied about His words or He didn't. God either did what He said or didn't or does not exist . You either have a plain, pure, inspired, preserved copy of scripture or you are a free agent, without FINAL AUTHORITY
Final Authority is a heart thing
