Posts by caliber

63

If you want to show a JW some of the older publications from a non-apostate and 'safe' website..

by The Quiet One in

"it is appreciated that these documents do not reflect the current understanding of the bible enjoyed by jehovah's witnesses, and for up-to-date information the reader is encouraged to visit the official site of the watchtower bible and tract society.".

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/.

caliber

emeth....

What if your son decides to date a "worldly girl " will they be welcome at your home ?

What if , heaven forbid , your son is told he needs a blood transfusion will he get to decide and if so how would you or the rest

of the witnesses treat him ?

Will you pay for him to get higher education , if he requests your help ?

Which is of greater importance to you loyality to family or the FDS ?

Free choice sounds great until major issues arise that in turn forces you to make choices that cannot please everyone

what will you do in such case ?

w89 9/1 19 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium

"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the great crowd as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme

Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil."

***************************************************************************************

If your children are now teenagers but not baptised .. will you be ok with God destroying them along with the rest of the world 's 99.9 % of people ?

63

If you want to show a JW some of the older publications from a non-apostate and 'safe' website..

by The Quiet One in

"it is appreciated that these documents do not reflect the current understanding of the bible enjoyed by jehovah's witnesses, and for up-to-date information the reader is encouraged to visit the official site of the watchtower bible and tract society.".

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/.

caliber

Some ask ..."..why do you need to read old magazines and books anyway.. don't you believe that

the light gets brighter and brighter ?"

1) because if the Wt was chosen in 1919 on the bases what was taught that year, it is still important today

to verify to new ones and sincere doubters why it was so.

2) If the baptism vows have change since our baptism , this is very important to know and why

3) if the view toward blood and blood fractions have changed not knowing what you are to believe could lead to a life and death decision

4) if we are told that the society never said 1975 or 1925 were the end of this old world .. isn't it our right to search and

see how we arrived at this "false idea" all by ourselves ?

63

If you want to show a JW some of the older publications from a non-apostate and 'safe' website..

by The Quiet One in

"it is appreciated that these documents do not reflect the current understanding of the bible enjoyed by jehovah's witnesses, and for up-to-date information the reader is encouraged to visit the official site of the watchtower bible and tract society.".

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/.

caliber

if the idea sounds "apostate" to them they will run away screaming "Satan, Satan"!

If it "sounds wrong" or is even shown to them with a critical view point this makes the material wrong even if you read it word for word from the WT

I once show a close JW relative quotes from the NWT and WT quotes concerning the baptism questions

and who are covered under the ransom, the new covenant etc.

they told me it was apostate material..

'but I said there is nothing on this page except Watchtower material and the NWT Bible .. (ME)

(them ) "But where did you get the information from ? they said .....that was their excuse if it was merely compiled by an apostate

this makes it wrong !! (evil spirit is then present I guess )

I think JW quotes gets a lot of this , the excuse that things are put together to make the Wt look foolish or contradictory to the Bible or common reason

406

Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

after some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.

thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.

i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.

caliber

It's a little known fact that William J Schnell tried very hard to return,

TD could you expand on this thought... where you may have come across it , etc .

Is there a reference in the archives so as not to go off topic ?

28

Matthew 5:37. A question for all who stand for pure worship!

by DATA-DOG in

matthew 5:37 " just let your word yes mean yes, your no, no, for what goes beyond these is from the wicked one.

" rnwt.

question: .

caliber

ab·so·lut·ism
[ab-suh-loo-tiz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
the principle or the exercise of complete and unrestricted power in government.
2.
any theory holding that values, principles, etc., are absolute and not relative, dependent, or changeable.

absolutism , absolutely can not work all the time in every sitution

406

Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

after some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.

thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.

i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.

caliber

Who can know for sure the inner or outer conflicts that can create such a sudden change ?

However the greatest conflicts are not between two people.. but between one person and themselves" G. B.

I too wish you peace on your inward journey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFtHfYt1saM

We stand at the edge of the universe but wish to discover what centre of the universe is .....

yet in a sense there are two journey's... both inner and outer which seek to converge

406

Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

after some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.

thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.

i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.

caliber

smitten by love or bewitched perchance ?

47

The GENERATION explanation is now a BOLD FACE LIE

by scotoma in

jw
friends

when i first heard about the new "generation" explanation i was confused because i didn't see clearly how they were explaining it.. now it looks like they finally figured it out for themselves and it is no longer confusing.. it is now a simple, ignorant, bold face lie.. this is from the january 1st watchtower.

(and i hope to hell someone from writing gets wind of this).

paragraph 15 page 31 blue stands for the exact words in the watchtower.

caliber

closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses." But they never said who it WAS in recent decades that closely identified that slave as such.

Is that like " Close but no cigar" ?

back to the mid-20th century when carnivals were prevalent in the United States. There were lots of carnival games. And the winners of the game would get cigars as prizes. That’s how cigars got involved. “Close, but no cigar” was the possible words the person in charge of the games said to attendants when they came very close to winning but failed at the end. Therefore, “close, but no cigar” indicates the meaning of “very near to success only to fall short at the end”.

All the cigars go to group number two it appears ...should they be talking about grouping's or groping for answers ?

grope

To reach about uncertainly; feel one's way: groped for the telephone. To search blindly or uncertainly: grope for an answer.

v.tr.1. To make (one's way) by reaching about uncertainly

47

The GENERATION explanation is now a BOLD FACE LIE

by scotoma in

jw
friends

when i first heard about the new "generation" explanation i was confused because i didn't see clearly how they were explaining it.. now it looks like they finally figured it out for themselves and it is no longer confusing.. it is now a simple, ignorant, bold face lie.. this is from the january 1st watchtower.

(and i hope to hell someone from writing gets wind of this).

paragraph 15 page 31 blue stands for the exact words in the watchtower.

caliber

yadda ya

hey've basically twisted what Jesus meant to mean an era or epoch.

Examples of ERA

the era of the horse and buggy
We're just now entering an era of great prosperity.
His death marks the end of an era.

The new Bible was they're opportunity to change the word "generation' to "epoch"

WHEN DOES JESUS ARRIVE, OR COME?

Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings, mentioned at Matthew 24:46, 47, also applies to his future coming,

Sometimes the new teaching's get so confusing we don't know if we're coming or going !!! Have I "arrived" at the conclusion or

"come" to that conclusion which is proper English ?

72

New Understanding of this Generation

by pronomono in

another tidbit of information about this generation from the 1/15/2014 study edition under "let your kingdom come - but when?".

they've changed it again.. this generation will not pass away14-16.

what is a third reason for believing that gods kingdom will come soon?.

caliber

Konceptual- there's no way to.make sense of the overlapping generations teaching. When you try, it just sounds nutty no matter what you do. Maybe they are trying to define the overlapping generations teaching. Doesn't matter either way-- It's buffoonery!

What do you mean man , it's working just as good as the above overlapping idea's ?