I wouldn't worry about outside the hall. Inside the hall they have total freedom, why would they go wandering a huge oval when all of the kiddies are collected for them in one little hall.
iwasblind
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Placement of KH
by rebelfighter infrom reading my previous post many of you know i am a worldly person and have been a life long child advocate.
my heart goes out to the jw children and women.
these last 5 months education here and jwfacts, jwstruggles, has been very enlightening.
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"We can't even talk with you anymore! You react very abruptly"
by stuckinarut2 inso that was the line used by an elder the other day to me!.
he implied that i react badly when spoken to by the elders.. i corrected him and said: "no, i'm always happy to have a conversation.
but what you seem to be implying is that unless i sit and accept and take everything you say, then i am being defensive?
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iwasblind
Don't take it personally Stuckinarut. They are victims. We had our CO last week and while he was sitting there misapplying scriptures I looked at his face and thought - this poor boy (he is very young). He has no idea. Most elders have no idea too.
It must be frustrating though mate! You abrupt mentally diseased person!
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Jovies - Thanks
by Doltologist ini have posted questions on christian web sites.
those questions have always been polite and i have never used questionable language.
the questions weren't exactly in support of christians though.. what did i get for my efforts?.
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iwasblind
I think you are mistaken my friend.
I said to a family member that I did not like that stupid cart song and got accused of apostasy.
I mention that we should be building homes for the poor instead of luxurious Kingdom Halls and get called "Korah"
Just try asking a question that they can't answer and you will get the "don't run ahead of Jehovah"
No Freedom to think or worship - BUT that is just my opinion of course.
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Are Elders experts on the Bible? Are they spirtually qualified men?
by John Aquila inhow many times have elders read their bible in its entirety?
these are the leaders that give counsel to married couples, to teenagers, to single girls and single boys on everything from marriage, education, sex, association, dress, and recreation..
how well do they know their bible?
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iwasblind
I have been on shepherding calls twice with elders who did not bring a bible. Many times visiting the bros and sis without offering a prayer. Yes they are quick to "print out an article"
No true spirituality, No Jesus and No Holy Spirit.
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California Supreme Court Case - S226656
by Gayle inhttp://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.
started 5/27/2015.
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iwasblind
This was one of the biggest things that rocked me in awakening.
How we could ever go to court and make the victims re-live their ordeal and see the abuser in court with all of the cross examining and junk that goes on.
If the WTBS was serious they would setup help groups, train elders to help these victims - but we all know that will never happen because $$$ are more important than people to them -
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If you found out TTATT at 80 and spent your entire life at Bethel, what would you do?
by John Aquila inwould you do a ray franz deal and write a book or keep quiet and live out the rest of your life in bethel?.
would you keep reading the watchtower magazine?.
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iwasblind
Hi John Aquilla
It is so sad to contemplate - too sad. I think that is why all of the 70+ 80+ year olds now in (that I know) are depressed and clutching to this generation idea because they don't want to die in this system.
One relative of mine said she knows something is wrong, but knows its the truth still.
???????? Madness
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Wanted to Share a Watchtower Quote with you
by FusionTheism injust thought this was interesting and wanted to see all of your thoughts and opinions on it.. watchtower, november 15, 2014, simplified study edition, pages 11-12:.
9 let us examine the words of three brothers who for many years have worked closely with members of the governing body.
one brother mentioned: while this has indeed been a unique privilege of service, the close association has from time to time revealed that, although spirit anointed, these brothers are imperfect.
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iwasblind
The GB have replace Christ with themselves.
People cannot separate Christ from the GB, or Jehovah from the borg.
It is one and the same to them.
So sad
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Fornicate and keep quiet, is it possible for a Governing Body member?
by John Aquila indo you think any of the members of the governing body have at one time in their lives committed an immoral sex act but never confessed?
remember leo greenlees.
fornication, adultery or something else?
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iwasblind
Hey there was a CO who was disfellowshipped last year. That is true heard it first hand.
But he reason why was heard 3rd hand so it could be untrue. I have heard it from about 5 different third hand sources though so I suppose it is true (just like the Smurf stories of old)
Story was he was visiting a prostitute in his territory for his own purposes. She also was being studied with by a sister. Well when he visited the local cong this lady was invited to the Sunday talk. When she saw the speaker and told the sister (who knew this lady's profession) that she knew him, and that he was one of her clients - well that was the end of it.
So anything is possible!
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Street Witnessing - did you ever do it?
by Muddy Waters ini remember in our congregation, there were a few older pioneer sisters who would start counting their time early - even before the service arrangement - by standing at a street corner and holding the magazines up in front of them and hoping that any passersby might stop to take one on their way to work or whatever.
as a fresh, new dub, i had heard about this "street-witnessing" work, but there was only one time i ever actually saw one of these older sisters doing this.
and even then i was shocked and embarrassed for her.... because this poor old sister was standing there, all by herself, holding up the watchtower & awake magazines, yet looking as sad and depressed as she could possibly ever look, her whole mouth was turned down just totally sad as she stood there, observing all the "dead" people walking around, hurrying to catch buses, get kids to school, get to work, etc.
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iwasblind
Yes used to do early morning street work. I remember I had a taxi driver say "I wouldn't wipe my bum with one of those" (meaning the mags) and I repied "Ohh no far too slippery, you would be better with one of these" and handed him a tract.
I can't imagine doing street work now.
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Is Prophecy important?
by EA916 inhello, i am certainly new to all of this.
i have recently been studying the prophecy's, and i was wondering if they are of any importance at all?
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iwasblind
Cofty - the may have been written by different people, but the teachings came mainly from the apostles and Paul. Most of the apostles were unlettered. So if the writings are false, explain how it circulated in a non-internet society. It is noted by many scolars that you could not preach the resurrection of Jesus to such a degree if it were a lie in those times.
How did this man (Jesus) born of a poor family "pull this off". Birth place, silver coins...Impossible. (I will come back with specifics)
Yes you could find writings that apply to Prince Charles, but you could not find some 40 books written over such a period of time that could - with every parallel pointing to him. This is what I am saying about cherry picking. I could even find a prophecy applying to me I am sure maybe the wicked slave :-). But anyway look at the Hebrew writings as a whole and see.
I will come back but after the weekend, I am unfortunately caught up the weekend, to answer Viviane also with specific scriptures that relate to Jesus.