Posts by iwasblind

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Lurker - just joined

by Je.suis.oisif in

hi all, nothing to report just now.

wanted to add name to list of those awakening.

been lurking for nearly a year.

iwasblind

Welcome aboard - you rock for taking the step. Keep searching!

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hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

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don't be afraid of the truth!.

iwasblind

Hi this is for the lurkers.

Please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.

Biblehub has an interlinear and a Strongs Concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.

You don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has changed the bible to devalue Jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for Christians and many other false doctrines.

I could never understand why the JW's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now I know.

Seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

Don't be afraid of the truth!

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Angry at first

by BeautifulMind in

so when my mom died in 2007 the main thing that kept me from losing it was that i knew i would see her again in the earthly paradise that i read and sang about in the jw publications.

i honestly fully believed in it.

we were best friends and it was devastaing to lose her.

iwasblind

Hi Beautiful Mind

I am so sorry you have had that experience. I am not sure if you still believe but I still find comfort in the scriptures.

It's a funny journey to reclaim your life and thought process back, I have had a lot of anger as I discover the lies we have been told but cannot fathom how you must feel. My prayers are with you - thank you for sharing.

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Good news RE - Geoffrey Jackson and the RC

by iwasblind in

hey guys.

this was just put up on the rc site.

rc will recommence on the 14th august.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

iwasblind

I did not pick up the word "anticipated" on the site - Nice pickup Listener

They have a lot of power though, I don't think they would have put it on their media releases if they did not think they could get him.

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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

by defender of truth in

the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

iwasblind

Hey Defender

No worries on this end, the more the merrier!

Let's just pray that he shows.

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Good news RE - Geoffrey Jackson and the RC

by iwasblind in

hey guys.

this was just put up on the rc site.

rc will recommence on the 14th august.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

iwasblind

Hey Guys

This was just put up on the RC site. RC will recommence on the 14th August.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%E2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec

Bring it on!

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Rodney Spinks Lies...

by iwasblind in

hi guys.

i actually have had dealings with rod and found him to be a very reasonable and "non-robotic" man in the past.. i know it should not surprise me, but i was disappointed to hear his lies and half-truths.. they know their stuff and are not easily led, but he tried to lead the royal commission to believe that 2 people could be involved in investigating a claim - which is wrong.. his lack of memory on what parts of the judicial process are biblical - hello - none are.

there are no scriptures that backup the use of 3 men, a body of elders, cutting people off from family and friends, restrictions, etc.. he also lied about the gb being involved in policy creation and changes.. his statement that in all cases, elders are told to inform parents that they can go to the authorities and get the full support of the congregation is not verifiable.

iwasblind

Hi OrphanCow

The way the organization applies them is wrong. It creates fear in the congregations and allows elders to go on power trips (if they are inclined that way).

Yes there is a provision for the 2 witness rule but there were no branches in the first century. It was up the congregation as a whole to look after each other.

They always bang on about Paul going to Jerusalem to meet the Governing Body. That is also rubbish. He met the elders, the reason he met with the elders in Jerusalem is it was a Jewish problem. Circumcision was causing a huge divide in the brotherhood and it needed the consensus of the mature ones in Jerusalem to pacify all Jews around the world at the time.

There is no evidence that the "Governing Body" sent letters about every single detail of life, or even had any control at all.

So take our structure away from it and the 2 witness rule had nothing to do with 7 men in NY or a man made branch, or a CO or DO.

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Rodney Spinks Lies...

by iwasblind in

hi guys.

i actually have had dealings with rod and found him to be a very reasonable and "non-robotic" man in the past.. i know it should not surprise me, but i was disappointed to hear his lies and half-truths.. they know their stuff and are not easily led, but he tried to lead the royal commission to believe that 2 people could be involved in investigating a claim - which is wrong.. his lack of memory on what parts of the judicial process are biblical - hello - none are.

there are no scriptures that backup the use of 3 men, a body of elders, cutting people off from family and friends, restrictions, etc.. he also lied about the gb being involved in policy creation and changes.. his statement that in all cases, elders are told to inform parents that they can go to the authorities and get the full support of the congregation is not verifiable.

iwasblind

Hi Johnamos

Nicely cherrypicked scriptures. There is a danger in applying 1 scripture literally without a proper context.

Remember Pauls letters are written to the congregations - not elders only. He was warning people to watch out who they associate with - no shunning is defined here in the deformed way it is practised in the JW faith.

Mat 18 - there is no Judicial committee here formed by a body of elders. Congregations were small and thus handled in a very different way. How does this relate in any way to the way a Judicial committee is run. Where here does it say you can disfellowship a person because they were repentant in a "wordly way" but not a "godly way". Were does it say here that you ask a person how many times they had sex with another person to identify if they are really repentant. If you look at verse 22, do we apply the 77 times literally also?

1 Cor 5 - in the very next book Paul says to welcome him back in. Again in no way supports how we handle cases like these and how we treat "sinners".

2 John - is talking about the anti-christ not other sins. Of course we would not want to associate with them, but we can still treat another human with dignity. Again no judicial process is here mentioned.

2 Thess 3 - yes it is obvious that if a friend gets drunk and starts smashing your house you would remove him right? Same applies here - but notice vs 15 - And yet do not consider him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother - hmmm - can't see shunning here either?

Rom 16 - yes if you had a group of any sort meet at your house and you had a person causing troubles and divisions you would avoid them also. But avoiding is not shunning. No elders are involved, no committees, etc.

So far I cannot see proper scriptural support for the way JW's handle committee cases.

I understand the need to watch out for people who could influence you but that applies to our general daily lives. You could apply that to a circle of friends.

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Rodney Spinks Lies...

by iwasblind in

hi guys.

i actually have had dealings with rod and found him to be a very reasonable and "non-robotic" man in the past.. i know it should not surprise me, but i was disappointed to hear his lies and half-truths.. they know their stuff and are not easily led, but he tried to lead the royal commission to believe that 2 people could be involved in investigating a claim - which is wrong.. his lack of memory on what parts of the judicial process are biblical - hello - none are.

there are no scriptures that backup the use of 3 men, a body of elders, cutting people off from family and friends, restrictions, etc.. he also lied about the gb being involved in policy creation and changes.. his statement that in all cases, elders are told to inform parents that they can go to the authorities and get the full support of the congregation is not verifiable.

iwasblind

Hi Sparrow,

What I meant was dealing with bethel is a robotic, bank teller like experience most times as an elder.

You feel like a stupid kid approaching an older kid to ask for your shoelaces to be tied. They don't tell you their name or give you anything personal however Rod was always human.

My comment did not mean he is not a victim of this brainwashing cult - I just meant he "appeared" to be quite a normal guy.

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Rodney Spinks Lies...

by iwasblind in

hi guys.

i actually have had dealings with rod and found him to be a very reasonable and "non-robotic" man in the past.. i know it should not surprise me, but i was disappointed to hear his lies and half-truths.. they know their stuff and are not easily led, but he tried to lead the royal commission to believe that 2 people could be involved in investigating a claim - which is wrong.. his lack of memory on what parts of the judicial process are biblical - hello - none are.

there are no scriptures that backup the use of 3 men, a body of elders, cutting people off from family and friends, restrictions, etc.. he also lied about the gb being involved in policy creation and changes.. his statement that in all cases, elders are told to inform parents that they can go to the authorities and get the full support of the congregation is not verifiable.

iwasblind

Hi Cappy

Thank you, I understand my wording above was confusing. The commission was asking about 2 people as an investigative committee, but the brothers were saying 2 people (even women - "heaven forbid!") could investigate - however that brothers were talking about 2 people being witnesses - they did not clarify it a matter needs 2 elders to investigate.