Haha thanks for the laugh :)
Posts by EA916
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Like I said, back in those times, if someone from another tribe, or even within Israel, didn't have a home, or needed money, or of any necessity, they would offer to work for a home, food, etc. How is this not moral? The Bible does not teach slavery the way many people think of it now and days. It was totally different back then, and I gave many Bible texts to prove my point. -
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Slavery was to protect people from other nations. I already gave my response. It is very simple to understand :) -
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So would it be okay to have other gods other than God of the Bible? (Supposing you are a Christian?) -
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First, we must recognize that the Bible does not say God supports slavery. In fact, the slavery described in the Old Testament was quite different from the kind of slavery we think of today - in which people are captured and sold as slaves. According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed:"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16)
The text you compared (Leviticus 25:44-46 AND Leviticus 19:33-34) are not contradictory.
1. In Leviticus 25:44-46 does not say what Leviticus 19:33-34, just because it doesn't say that doesn't mean it says the opposite. Example, in Leviticus 25:44-46 does NOT mention that it is alright to mistreat your slave. Just because it doesn't say that does not mean it says the opposite of what Leviticus 19:33-34 say.
2. Exodus 21:20-21. This does not mean it was okay to beat there slaves.
At first glance, it would appear as if God is condoning the beating of the slave, but let's read this carefully. First, we see that this verse in no way CONDONES beating a slave. God does not command the Israelites to beat their slaves, and God surely does not want anyone to be harsh or mistreat slaves. That is not what the verse says at all. Here are a few verses so we can sense of how God feels about it:
(Colossians) 4:1 "Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.
(Ephesians 6:8-9) "knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. 9And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him."
The verse nowhere approves of hitting people or abusing them, but rather, the ENTIRE Bible is consistent on how we should treat people. Any skeptic who tries to isolate this verse to "Prove" that God condones beating a slave just reveals their own sheer desperation. The Israelites who had slaves would have known God's holy laws, and they knew better than to mistreat people. (Exodus 22:21)
So, obviously, slavery during Old Testament times was not what we commonly recognize as slavery, such as that practiced in the 17th century Americas, when Africans were captured and forcibly brought to work on plantations. Unlike our modern government welfare programs, there was no safety-net for ancient Middle Easterners who could not provide a living for themselves. In ancient Israel, people who could not provide for themselves or their families sold them into slavery so they would not die of starvation or exposure. In this way, a person would receive food and housing in exchange for labor.
So, although there are rules about slavery in the Bible, those rules exist to protect the slave. Injuring or killing slaves was punishable - up to death of the offending party. (Exodus 21:20) Hebrews were commanded not to make their slave work on the Sabbath (Exodus 23:12) slander a slave (Proverbs 30:10) A Hebrew was not to enslave his fellow countryman, even if he owed him money, but was to have him work as a hired worker, and he was to be released in 7 years or in the year of jubilee (which occurred every 50 years), whichever came first (Leviticus 25:39-43) In fact, the slave owner was encouraged to "pamper his slave" "He who pampers his slave from childhood Will in the end find him to be a son." (Proverbs 29:21)
The idea that God or Christianity encourages or approves of slavery is shown to be false. In fact, anybody who was caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed. However, since voluntary slavery was widely practiced during biblical times, the Bible proscribes laws to protect the lives and health of slaves. Paul, the author of many of the New Testament writings, virtually ordered the Christian Philemon to release his Christian slave from his service to "do what is proper". In addition, numerous verses from the New Testament show that God values slaves as much as any free person and is not partial to anyone's standing before other people. (Galatians 3:28)
RAPE:
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 These passages have nothing to do with rape.
Numbers 31:14-18 This again mentions nowhere about rape
Many people believe that these woman that were captured were supplied so that the priests could abuse them sexually and rape them. But nothing could be further from the truth. In the previous chapter in Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Moses specifically stated what was to be done with female captives. So again, nowhere does is mention God condoning rape. On the contrary, lets see how God feels about rape.
Deuteronomy 22:25-27 States that there is a punishment for those who commit rape.
2 Samuel 13:12-14. Gods people understood that rape was just not right
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BTW Village idiot. I was talking to Viviane. -
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I love This!! Thank you Village idiot for helping me dive into the word tonight. I will reply to you very shortly :) -
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I am here to learn as well. I will never stop learning about God. He is too big!! ;) -
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Hahaha yet again you have made me laugh. Thank you for that. Your arguments were close to ZERO, I will give you a 1 for effort. If you do not want to debate, then why are you on here? And those last questions I will be glad to answer :) -
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Like I said, you should show everyone PROOF (Bible texts for what you are saying)
1. Maybe you need to re-read your Bible. (Exodus 20:3) Read it a couple of times just so it can sink in that brain of yours :)
2. Give me a text that shows that Jesus endorsed slavery and rape?
3. What about the pole with the snake and the temple? Explain yourself better and with Biblical proof
4. Let me educate you: First, we should quote the verse correctly. It doesn't say God “needed” to rest; it simply says that He did. Also, it is clear from Scripture that God did not rest because He was tired.Genesis 17:1 calls God the “Almighty God.” Psalm 147:5 says, “Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite.” God is all-powerful; He never tires and never needs to rest. As Isaiah 4:28 says, “The everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, neither faints nor is weary.” God is the sum of perfection; He is never diminished in any way, and that includes being diminished in power.
When God said, “Let there be light,” the light appeared. He simply spoke creation into existence Genesis 1:1-3. Later, we read that Jesus Christ “is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power” Hebrews 1:3. Forget the image of Atlas straining under the weight of the world on his shoulders. It’s not like that. The entire universe is held together by Jesus’ word. The creation and maintenance of the universe is not difficult for God. A mere word will suffice. As Psalm 33:9 declares, “For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.”
The Hebrew word translated “rested” in Genesis 2:2 includes other ideas than that of being tired. In fact, one of the main definitions of the Hebrew word shabat is “to cease or stop."God did not merely “rest” on the seventh day; He “stopped creating.” It was a purposeful stop. Everything He desired to create had been made. He looked at His creation, declared it “very good”, and ceased from His activity. In the Jewish tradition, the concept of shabat has been carried over as the "Sabbath.” The Law of Moses taught there was to be no work at all on the seventh day (Saturday). Because God ceased from work that day, the Israelite's were to cease from their work on the Sabbath. Thus, the days of creation are the basis of our universal observance of a seven-day week.5. Many people mocked and beat Jesus, yet he still died so they can have salvation. My point is this: Even though my parents don't treat me well, they are still MY parents. We must honor them with respect. If they abuse you, of course go and report them, I would do that, but this commandment is showing us how to love our neighbor. Forgiveness is the biggest key to having a happy life. When we don't forgive, we live with envy and hate. But yes I understand what you are saying.
6. You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER ' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; (Mathew 5:21) Words can kill someone weather you agree or not, it is the truth. But the command here is, DO NO KILL PERIOD.
7. Just because someone from the Bible did something doesn't mean God approves. Can you please show me where God approves of this... "Patriarchs were horning it up with temple concubines, sleeping with women not their wives and sleeping with their wives servants ALL THE TIME and with God's approval." AND THIS.."God approved of that all the time. In fact, polygamous marriages were also something God supported." Don't reply if you don;t have any Biblical proof to what you are saying.
8. Again, please explain yourself better with Bible proof. Just to remind you. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE
9. A lie is a lie plain and simple. And Jesus promised to come back, which He will come back for his people. But that's another topic for another day ;)
10. Of course!! Jesus was poor, look at him? Many apostles died for there faith, they were persecuted yet found joy in there trials and tribulations, why? Because they found JESUS. They were blessed with what they had. And I hope anyone that is reading this can find joy and happiness with Jesus tonight. :)