Posts by freeman

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Its Time to get IRAQ

by Amazing in

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had the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.

there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.

yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.

freeman

From what I see, the public is a bit divided on this issue. After September 12, I think many more here in the states will be onboard when president Bush in a UN address will present highlights of recent intelligence. Scary stuff I am told.

Unfortunately I dont have access to raw intelligence, however from what I have gleaned from my personal sources that do, Iraq, in the last 14 months or so has become more of a threat then they were over the last several years. Why? I am told it is because they have regained much of their lost weapon capability and also because of what they retained after the gulf war ended. Most people dont know this but before the gulf war, Iraq had a fully functioning atomic bomb casing. This is a very complex device but is useless without a fissionable payload. Before the gulf war, the only thing they needed to complete this weapon was enough fuel. They had some, but not enough.

One of the problems with Iraq is not their possession of nuclear or biological weapons, its their propensity to use them against their neighbors and those they have ideological differences with, i.e. Israel.

Many nations retain nuclear and some even have chemical and biological capability. However all nations to date have shown that the nuke, chemical and biological option is reserved as a very LAST option. Not so with Iraq. Is their anyone that seriously questions the fact that if Saddam has them he will use them, and that if he cant deliver them to his target, he will put them in the hands of those that can?

I pose this question; why are so many supposed supporters of the UN and its past sanctioned actions in Iraq now allowing virtually every important resolution of the UN signed with the Iraq government to continue to be flouted? Even the UN itself seems very reluctant to enforce its own resolutions. If it doesnt enforce it own resolutions, then exactly what is their function and why must my taxes pay for their continued existence?

One last point, the cessation of hostilities is a result of a surrender agreement, much of which the Iraqi government is now in clear violation of. So exactly what is to be done about that, nothing?

The credibility of all UN member nations and the UN itself is now on the line, and I question why other nations seem unprepared to put actions to their words and written agreements. I hate the thought of war, but I sincerely hope it will not be the US and possibly a reluctant Britain be the only nations to stand up once again. And shame on you all if it is.

Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 10 September 2002 9:54:31

Edited by - freeman on 10 September 2002 9:56:52

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Athiest Moral Code?

by Xena in

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i was talking with an athiest friend the other day and he brought up the subject of how society in general has been governed by the christian moral code.

some christians apparently predict chaos in society if an athiest moral code ever replaced the christian one.

this made me wonder....what is the athiest moral code?

freeman

Atheist, or more correctly agnostics, from my encounters with them are among the most moral and ethical people I know of. History is replete with religious people perpetrating some of the most heinous crimes against humanity known. Atheists have been known to also commit astonishing atrocities, however they come in a poor second in the bloodshed race.

Agnostics as distinguished from atheists, IMHO have the least blood on their hands. Im not an authority on the subject; these are just my observations.

Freeman

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To Amazing and Others re Iraq

by Defender in

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in reply to your posts below, i thought a new post is merited.

it is really outstanding the transformation of persons who were associated with jws from neutral subjects to outright warmongers, especially those who used to profess brotherhood with christ.

while everyone is entitled to their opinions on matters of world politics, but to foster and promote bloodshed and destruction in the name of peace and pre-emptive defense runs jarringly against the grain of anything called christian.. .

freeman

Hello Defender,

I won't comment on to much of what you have said; however I do draw everyones attention to one statement you have made.

Furthermore, the US used chemical weapons in Vietnam, again when the US was not in any mortal danger.

I ask that you please show evidence of the above claim as the average American, let alone the much more informed American are apparently unaware of our governments use of chemical weapons during the Vietnam War.

I know my government has lots of secrets, of which some I am probably excluded, however I was wondering why someone like me, a US citizen with a security clearance well above top secret has never even heard that we used chemical weapons during the Vietnam War, yet you, a citizen of Canada somehow knows this astonishing information. Just wondering how this could be so.

Incidentally, next week my facility will be hosting an anti-terrorist task force, it has to do with the 9/11 anniversary; anyway their command center as it turns out will be in the room directly across the hall from me and I am told their will be a contingent of FBI, CIA, and NTSB agents occupying the room. So if I get the chance, perhaps I will ask one of these agents about this apparent cover-up our government has had going on all these years. Then again, maybe I wont as I dont want them to think Im some type of crackpot.

My suggestion to you is that you present your evidence for the statement you made, as failure to do so tends to make all other statements you may utter suspect and makes you look like, well a crackpot.

Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 6 September 2002 16:40:6

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Pledge Controversy Erupts

by Kenneson in

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plainfield, connecticut is the scene of a current battle involving the pledge of allegiance to the flag.

will effect jws.

if adverse decision.

freeman

I think the organization should leave this matter in Jehovah's hands

No Nathan, you are a bit confused. They leave child molestation in Jehovahs hands but issues like the pledge; this they will take immediate action on.

It would be funny if it were not so true. Sick Bastards!

Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 4 September 2002 19:32:28

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I HAVE GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Jesika in

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i am still shaking from the phone call!!!!!!

i just go off the phone with a reporter from the dallas morning news(paper).

she is a reporter for the religion section of the paper and she was interested and disgusted with what i told her--about the 2 witness policy.

freeman

Great! Way to go, kick some but Jesika!!!

Freeman

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Why Are JWs Allowed To Ignore Immigration Laws?

by ErieGuy in

we all know how the wts loves to toot their own horn about how jws are the most law abidding citizens in the world.

so then, why does the wts tolerate (encourage by its own inaction) the continuous ignorance of immigration laws?.

i have personally observed a whole host of illegal former canadians, mexicans, and central/south americans in congregations scatttered throughout the u.s. is the withholding of "privileges" sufficient conduct by those god told to obey all laws not conflicting wih his own?

freeman

I did a Spiritual Warfare thing on my wife this morning using this newspaper article. I got her to agree and say how bad is was that we taxpayers would be footing the bill for these illegal immigrants that get hurt here in the USA. How bad it was that everyone is made to pay for these people that have no respect for the immigration laws, and the laws of our land. She was shaking her head agreeing with me 100%. And then...and then...

Then I dropped the bomb on her when I informed her that the surgeons had to be extra careful so the guy would not bleed to death because as a JW he refused blood.

WOW if you could have seen her face. I know, I know, Im very bad, but I just cant help it; the devil made me do it!

Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 2 September 2002 20:4:32

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How will you commemorate the anniversary of 9/11?

by Kenneson in

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1. attend a prayer service.

2. stay at home and watch the t.v.

specials.

freeman

I will likely be at my job, there is a memorial service planed.

Im sure this will be a sad day of reflection for many of us, myself included.

And as of September 12, any high-tech weapons and defense related stock should be going up. While Im at work, I will be making sure that the great increase in military cargo and air traffic bound for the Middle East gets there safely. Oops, did I give a secret away? Naa, you knew that already.

The Watchtower should make a killing on their military related stock; quite literally a killing.

Seriously, I pray to whatever god will listen that the loss of life on all sides be kept to the bear minimum; God help us.

Freeman

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JW's DO eat Blood

by Yerusalyim in

why is it that jw's are so big on this no blood thing, yet still eat blood in their meat?

the dubs i know claim to "cook out" the blood, but this in no way meets biblical standards.

in fact the way meat is slaughtered doesn't come close to meeting kosher requirements in the bible.

freeman

Yerusalyim ,

The very fact that you see this contradiction is a clear indication of your improper heart condition. Do you not know, the Faithless and Deceitful Slave is in charge of not only providing food at the proper time, but also providing the correct understanding ONLY to loyal followers? Yes the truth is hidden from the unbelievers, you heathen.

Since you dont understand the reasoning of the Faithless and Deceitful Slave, and you refuse to Wait On Jehovah, you will not be allowed to rain as a King and Priest when Jehovah blesses his people by killing 99.9% of the planets population, which is of course the Good News Jesus was talking about.

Put away your logic and reason , just do as you are told, its for your own good, trust us.

Poor bastards

Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 2 September 2002 14:42:40

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Why Are JWs Allowed To Ignore Immigration Laws?

by ErieGuy in

we all know how the wts loves to toot their own horn about how jws are the most law abidding citizens in the world.

so then, why does the wts tolerate (encourage by its own inaction) the continuous ignorance of immigration laws?.

i have personally observed a whole host of illegal former canadians, mexicans, and central/south americans in congregations scatttered throughout the u.s. is the withholding of "privileges" sufficient conduct by those god told to obey all laws not conflicting wih his own?

freeman

I personally know of a JW from the Dominican Republic that married someone just to get into this country. In fact the person he married and then latter divorced is his own half sister, using a loophole (READ LYING) to get around immigration laws. However when he became a naturalized citizen he took a different oath of allegiance just for JWs because the standard oath offended his conscience. Elders did nothing and he still brags about how he put one over on the INS.

GAG, PUKE!

Freeman

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"Biting The Helping Hand..."

by silentlambs in

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"the elders feel that she is basically biting the helping hand"

the quote above is from a recent news article regarding child rape and jehovah's witnesses.

i find it a stunning confirmation of exactly how abuse survivors are treated within the jehovahs witnesses community.

freeman

I have read this statement by this Watchtower spokesmen in context; his words and the callousness they represent is at the very least disgusting, and if I should listen to my gut, I read nothing but evil from this creep. Incidentally, my gut feelings are rarely wrong. These remarks are not just the musings of some rouge Elder but accurately represent the true feelings of the upper echelon of the Watchtower, i.e. the Governing Body itself.

In my opinion, they are pure evil!

Regards Bill,

Freeman