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  what movie best discribes you sex life??

  by karter in

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  gone in 60 secounds

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  half-way house for ex-Jdubs

  by tula in

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  this chart is out of date and i am wondering if anyone can find more contemporary statistics?.

  i am wondering if there is some way possible for wbts to be billed for medical expenses caused by the psychological harm inflicted when dubs end up in dr. offices or hospital as a result of spiritual trauma and spiritual warfare?.

  seems to me that we could make them take some responsibility.. (i am not providing the link because this is second-hand information).

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  This chart is out of date and I am wondering if anyone can find more contemporary statistics?

  I am wondering if there is some way possible for wbts to be billed for medical expenses caused by the psychological harm inflicted when dubs end up in dr. offices or hospital as a result of spiritual trauma and spiritual warfare?

  Seems to me that we could make them take some responsibility.

  (I am not providing the link because this is second-hand information)

  (The following quotes are taken from the British Journal of Psychiatry: the Journal of Mental Science. Published by authority of The Royal College of Psychiatrists, Vol. 126, Ashford, Kent, Headley Brothers LTD, 1975. The author is John Spencer.)

  "During the period of 36 months from January 1971 to December 1973 there were 7,546 inpatient admissions to the West Australian Mental Health Service Psychiatric Hospitals. Of these 50 were reported to be active members of the Jehovah's Witnesses movement" (p. 557).
  "Of the 50 admitted 22 were diagnosed as schizophrenic, 17 as paranoid schizophrenic, 10 as neurotic and one as alcoholic" (pp. 557, 558).

  	Total admissions	Annual rate per 1,000 population	Jehovah's Witnesses admissions	Annual rate per 1,000 population
  All diagnoses	7,546	2.54	50	4.17
  Schizophrenia (295)	1,826	.61	22	1.83
  Paranoid schizophrenia (195.3)	1,154	.38	17	1.4
  Neurosis (300)	1,182	.39	10	.76

  "From the figures gathered in the Table it is clear that members of the Jehovah's Witnesses movement are over-represented in admissions to the Mental Health Services of this State. Furthermore, it is clear from the Table that the incidence of schizophrenia amongst them is about three times as high as for the rest of the general population, while the figure for paranoid schizophrenia is nearly four times that of the general population" (p. 558).
  "The study does not shed light on the question of symptom or defense mechanism, but suggests that either the Jehovah's Witnesses sect tends to attract an excess of pre-psychotic individuals who may then break down, or else being a Jehovah's Witness is itself a stress which may precipitate a psychosis" (p. 558).

  Also, of interest, there is now a Group Psychological Abuse Scale which is the 1st scientifically developed instrument (i.e. a series of tests) to measure group abuse ascribed to cult environments. It is measured on 4 distinct factors associated with cult environments: Compliance, Exploitation, Mind control, and Anxious Dependency. I don't know the rating on JW; I am still searching.
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  one word to describe me

  by Hortensia in

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  i thought crumpet's thread was really interesting and that everyone was really supportive in their answers.

  then i thought about what words would describe me - i imagine lots of folks thought that.

  i used to have in my profile "short fat ugly old and mean" which was a joke but offended someone...currently i would described myself as tired and a little crabby and inclined to be unsympathetic, which was always my husband's complaint about me anyway.

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  Do you still fear an elder visit, when you see a car drive up slowly...

  by JH in

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  when you see a car drive slowly in front of your house, do you still think it may be an elder coming by to see you?.

  i remember a few years ago, each time a car drove by slowly in front of here, expecially around 7pm on evenings when there was no meetings, or on saturday mornings, i got away from the window, and looked outside from another window where i wouldnt be seen, incase it was an elder coming to see me.. if it was the case, i would turn off the tv so that there would be no noise when they would come to my door.

  then they would leave after a few knocks.. since many years, they don't come anymore.. .

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  I put up a fence with gate locked at dusk now.
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  What has this religion become? THE WATCHTOWER madhouse

  by Terry in

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  c.t.russell began with a personal "purpose" which was to find a way to believe in/worship god while doing away with the beliefs he found to be personally uncomfortable such as hellfire.

  he shopped around and cherry picked 2nd adventist views as a foundation.

  to this he added pyramidology.

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  WHEEEE DOGGIES! That's quite a mouthful, Terry!
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  A LETTER TO MY NEWS PAPER...........

  by vitty in

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  i tried cut and paste a letter but it wont come up.

  i thought i would write a letter to my local paper and i was wondering what you all thought of it.. .

  dear editor.

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  It is certainly worth a try. Let us know the outcome.

  I think most letters to editor require your identity.

  You can give your identity and ask the publisher to withhold it from print.
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  My sisters wedding...

  by zamora251978 in

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  below is a copy of the e-mail my sister sent me.

  i had to make arrangements for my kids to be babysat somewhere else until after the wedding.

  there little hearts are broken.

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  Your sister needs to get some backbone.

  Maybe you better call and tell her...not only will bro. L orchestrate her wedding but he will be there to supervise the honeymoon.

  Have that sex talk with her and tell her their rules.

  Tell her she will be answering to them the rest of her life if she goes along with this bullying now.

  Tell her she will not be allowed to discipline her children. She will have to turn them over to the judicial committee to be bullied and they will loose their self esteem. She will have no freedom to raise her children as she sees fit. They will probably even tell her its too close to Armageddon to have children. I've read stories on this board of people with regrets of never having kids because elders frowned on it 20-30-40-50-60 years ago.

  Does your sister really know all she needs to know about this org to make a decision? I have a feeling nobody has told her about all this.

  The marriage vows will be a sham. Her husband will never be allowed to be head of his household. She will have to listen to bro. L instead of her husband. Warn her there will be a lot of interference in their marriage : once she allows this, it will never stop.

  Her husband will be turned into a jellyfish and she will have so many people to answer to for every thought in her head until she becomes a zombie.

  Remind her she will have no free time in the future.

  Hell, just make her realize she needs to get some backbone and put these people in their place.

  Tell her to write "Miss Manners" and see what the ettiquete queen has to say about the arrangements.

  CALL her and make her account for why she is not allowed to make her own decisions about her life!
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  What are Strangest Grounds For Disfellowshiping You Have Heard Of?

  by new boy in

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  in 1961 my father was disfellowshipped for not doing to the kingdom hall he was assigned to.. if i'm lying...my dying!.

  it was the glendora california congeration.

  the committee was.. john smoley.

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  thank you for your courage to name names.
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  Threefold Cord in Witness Marriages- It's Not Enough to Make Marriage Work

  by flipper in

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  hello folks.

  thought this would be an important subject to discuss, got the idea for this based on reading from some posters the concern they have for the imbalanced views witnesses have of their marriages.

  i have some experience in this, as i was married 19 years to a witness woman (staunch fanatical witness ) , whom i married at age 19 in 1979 as a witness myself.

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  successful marriage we needed to have Jehovah as a third party in this marriage

  I think similar spiritual beliefs are important. But there is a big difference between having "Jehovah" in a marriage and having the entire BOE and GB in bed with you. BIG DIFFERENCE. Heck. That really crowds out even an extra long king size. It won't work!!!

  I think communication is the most important thing. Even if your values and morals differ, with good communication, the other can understand your point and at least come to compromise. When you have those 2 factors, many other things will fall into place. It takes a partner who is willing to listen and consider your feelings. It also takes speaking up and not expecting the other to be a mind reader.

  People grow and change...and sometimes they outgrow each other, especially if the partner does not have flexibility or can show interests in what the other person might like to pursue. There has to be a continual sharing of experiences and thoughts. Sometimes, what you needed in a partner at 20 is not what you need at 50. Unless a couple can grow together, there is bound to come a time when they go separately (emotionally)...even if they are still together.

  Too many times, people expect their partner to fulfill them and make them happy. That is too much responsibility for one person to live up to. We each have to find or make our OWN happiness...not depend on someone else to supply it for us. That's quite a demand. Some people never even realize that that is an unrealistic demand.

  Relationships work best when both partners can make acontribution to the growth and advancement of the unity. You can't do that if you are living in your partners shadow.

  I don't think a marriage should be defined on religion. It can be an aspect of it, but certainly not the bonding factor.

  I have heard it said that children are the glue in a marriage bond.

  Well, I think that third cord ...if its the BOE and GB...is not a bond, but rather a bondage. That cord has a cement block tied to it.
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  ABRAHAM MAY HAVE HAD A HURRIAN CONNECTION!

  by badboy in

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  i saw an interesting article(ideally i should include a web link), it seems that it was a hurrian custom thereby a wife become the husband's sister(something like that), also abraham may have been lived in a hurrian area(haran).. what is anyone's take on this interesting idea?.

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  so, does this mean oompa will still have to call his wife 'Sister' since she is still in the bOrg?

  and will she call him "mister" instead of "Brother"?

  Doesn't this give religion a sort of incestuous slant?

  Doesn't it seem rather permissive to call everyone by sibling references?