Posts by tula

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Question : How Rich Is The Watchtower ?

by AlphaOmega in

from previous posters, we have had access to the watchtower's accounts (uk), and especially the related company (ibsa), but... apparantly accounts are not as easily available in america.. does that apply to canada too ?.

how much the organisation is worth worldwide ?how much profit the organisation makes worldwide ?.

i'd be interested to know.. thanks in advance.

tula

WT was to have put down waterfront property in of all places NY USA? You know how (now) all those lovely brownstones are all around the heights area in Brooklyn with the (now) fancy quaint hotels we own? Yep, newspapers recently have commented on how lucky or savvy WT was with buyin low and holding on.........but you do not even want to know how the hundreds of millions have turned into BILLIONS over the past 30 years.

don't sweat it. Jehovah's gonna take care of all that real soon. He will bring to ruin those who are ruining the earth and ruining the people. Yep. Jah will wipe them all out at Armageddon. Babylon has NOT fallen yet, but just you wait and see! What a tumble it will be. Pride goeth before a fall. And we are chisleing away each day by showing their destruction of people and their deceitful greedy ways.

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We need to have another party!

by changeling in

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friends

my last one was fancy and pretty, the social event of the season.

i'm in the mood for something a little different tonight.. when i was a popular witness (before being a witness wore me down and my kids became teenagers and people starting judging us for being "liberal") we used to entertain a lot.

i miss that.. i'm a very social creature.

tula

Changeling....do you think it's time we tell them about our mushroom surprise?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/144925/1.ashx

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half-way house for ex-Jdubs

by tula in

this chart is out of date and i am wondering if anyone can find more contemporary statistics?.

i am wondering if there is some way possible for wbts to be billed for medical expenses caused by the psychological harm inflicted when dubs end up in dr. offices or hospital as a result of spiritual trauma and spiritual warfare?.

seems to me that we could make them take some responsibility.. (i am not providing the link because this is second-hand information).

tula

But on a more personal note, when my sister was about 16 she thought she was going crazy because she didn't believe in the JW stuff anymore. She would cry constantly because she didn't understand why it didn't make sense to her. So my mom talked with the elders and the CO and they told my mom its just a teenage phase. Anyway, my sister went for a routine physical and the doctor suggested my sister see a physciatrist. So my mom took her to one and the physciatrist told my mom that the JW religion was driving my sister crazy. My mom asked the physciatrist to take out the JW factor and the physciatrist said she couldn't because that was the factor. So my mom agreed to put my sister on meds "to help her adjust". My mom informed the CO and he instructed the elders to call my 16-year-old sister everyday to pray and read the bible with her every morning. They did this for about 3 or 4 months. Then a few months later when my sister started regular pioneering, they were sure it was their phone calls and Jehovah's healing hand. It was the prozac. My sister came off the prozac about a year later and has been regular pioneering ever since (about 16 years now). She still has strong doubts and a number of regrets and "forces herself to believe" (her words not mine). Her husband is a well-known elder with as many years as pioneering and he is 110% JW.

Shopper, this is sooo sad. I have seen similar situations with JWs I have encountered, though they are older. It seems the ones I know either zombie-up and parrot or they must be prodded with meds. I am so sorry she was denied freedom of thought, which is and should be a basic inherent human right. We are guaranteed freedom from thought control in the first amendment of constitution, but because of the church/state separation, it does not apply in this situation. Absurd, huh? So sorry she could not shake it off when she was older. I guess the meds help to correct any individuality one might show. Or maybe she just finally gave up trying to justify the nonsense and went along to make life easier?

CO mentioned that the society was concerned because too many of the pioneers were overweight. He mentioned that the pioneers take too many snack breaks, eat too much sugar and don't exercise enough,

I suppose more field work out walking was recommended for the exercise. Actually, I have wondered when overweight people might start getting attacked for "gluttony" sins. I heard some talk about disciplinary action for the overweight a while back, but don't think it will ever happen because too many of the overweight are the ones in charge of everything!

Purps, thanks for your time and effort on the documentation materials.

I am wondering why these studies seem to be Australia. And wondering if there are any USA studies? I can't help but think that psychologists and psychiatrists have noticed a definite pattern with cult groups to start such articulate research...and to even break it down according to the particular cult --JW's! Surely there must be figures that are more current.

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Is There a Celebrity that You Resemble ?

by flipper in

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friends

guys and gals, here we go !

i started a serious thred tonight, now it's time to relax and have some fun!

i think we have all been a bit stressed what with trevor gate and all, so it's friday night, let's loosen up a bit ?

tula

Gopher really is a celebrity!

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Is There a Celebrity that You Resemble ?

by flipper in

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friends

guys and gals, here we go !

i started a serious thred tonight, now it's time to relax and have some fun!

i think we have all been a bit stressed what with trevor gate and all, so it's friday night, let's loosen up a bit ?

tula

A lot of people say I look like bridgette fonda. I am just kind of ordinary. And I think she's kind of ordinary looking, too.

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half-way house for ex-Jdubs

by tula in

this chart is out of date and i am wondering if anyone can find more contemporary statistics?.

i am wondering if there is some way possible for wbts to be billed for medical expenses caused by the psychological harm inflicted when dubs end up in dr. offices or hospital as a result of spiritual trauma and spiritual warfare?.

seems to me that we could make them take some responsibility.. (i am not providing the link because this is second-hand information).

tula

hi shopper!

The stats are old. I was hoping someone might know of some updated info on the issue of cults/(namely JW) and mental health.

"From the figures gathered in the Table it is clear that members of the Jehovah's Witnesses movement are over-represented in admissions to the Mental Health Services of this State. Furthermore, it is clear from the Table that the incidence of schizophrenia amongst them is about three times as high as for the rest of the general population, while the figure for paranoid schizophrenia is nearly four times that of the general population" (p. 558).

Certainly if psychologists were beginning to do detailed work on cult influence leading to mental illness that long ago, there must be some current figures to take this to another level of proof.

If you can help, please do.

Thanks for joining in.

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Search various online records, i$$$ it worth it?

by Fatfreek in

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friends

this advertisement looks interesting.

have any of you subscribed to this or a similar service?

some $29.95 for a year subscription, $39.95 for lifetime.

tula

you will hit all those pay sites if you web SURF.

If you want to do it on your own, you need to DEEP DIVE.

Try a Turbo search engine.

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half-way house for ex-Jdubs

by tula in

this chart is out of date and i am wondering if anyone can find more contemporary statistics?.

i am wondering if there is some way possible for wbts to be billed for medical expenses caused by the psychological harm inflicted when dubs end up in dr. offices or hospital as a result of spiritual trauma and spiritual warfare?.

seems to me that we could make them take some responsibility.. (i am not providing the link because this is second-hand information).

tula

Oracle, I had not thought of lawsuit. Do you think that is what it would take to make a change?

I was thinking more like government taking the lead through social depts. or even insurances taking the lead.

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half-way house for ex-Jdubs

by tula in

this chart is out of date and i am wondering if anyone can find more contemporary statistics?.

i am wondering if there is some way possible for wbts to be billed for medical expenses caused by the psychological harm inflicted when dubs end up in dr. offices or hospital as a result of spiritual trauma and spiritual warfare?.

seems to me that we could make them take some responsibility.. (i am not providing the link because this is second-hand information).

tula

some of the factors I see involved in causing (depression..that leads to suicide; neurosis; schizophrenia, etc.) is:

intense alienation from the outside world and thus living already in a fantasy world made up by doctrine...

unquestioning committment, and thus not allowed to have even privacy of doubts....

and the hardest part is when for some reason, you come to your senses and have a breakthrough...

(this is my own example of what happened to a friend...you are told bizarre hurtful things "you will never see your dead sister or your mother again" and "Jah will abandon you" and "it would be better if you die now" because if you get killed off at Armageddon SOON...you won't get a resurrection!)

the manipulation and mind control at the point of departure is so very severe. And then the isolation from your family and friends if you exit. Your whole life support system is cut off.

This is why I think this type of trauma spawns the mental reactions.

I wish there was some evidence to prove its the exit that causes so much of the mental illness.

Anybody have a suggestion?

I am thinking that even in an individual case where these things have sent someone over the edge and this is the exclusive purpose of their therapy...and especially if it could be proven there are great numbers of such individuals...that there could possibly be some repercussion and responsibility that could be forced upon wbts by medical industry(?)

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If A Jehovah's Witnesses Ask You...

by Sarah Smiles in

the wt states most people who do not believe jesus is michael believes jesus is jehovah!.

if a jehovah's witness ask, "which way do you believe are you ready to answer?

another angel, fith angel michael the archangelstrong angelfallen star, star means angelapollyon who is a king but it means destroyer, and destroyer is an angel of the old testament!

tula

Johnny Angel.