when i was 14 i decided to dissassociate myself.the elder flipped and met with me and my parents.i shared my feelings about the hypocrisy that i saw in the teachings and actions of the witnesses.i was assured that i simply needed to pray more and that i was too young to comprehend the incidents which had made such a negative impression on me.. .
then they went on to liken my feelings to a man who had a handful of diamonds but could only see the dust on them.. did you ever receive counsel that belittled the real issue?
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Incubus,
That was a cruel thing for this person to say to someone who was young. I'm sorry that you were in the middle of that embarassing situation with your parents. One day your parents will see how ineffective it was.
Isn't it sad that at that moment you were much wiser than those adults in that room, and saw how those words didn't really deal with the issues that you were facing at that time.
personally, i don't think the organization is reformable.
while i was an elder, i tried to be a more moderate voice and as i grew older any harsher attitudes disappaited from within me.
as they say, all the good (and smart) elders have left.
I think that more people like Raymond Franz need to come out from the Governing Body. I can't believe that all the members totally agree with the current policies and procedures that are in force. Some must have some sense of honour, but are feeling helpless.
Reforms take time, and may not occur in my lifetime. eg. The Pioneering hour requirements will be changed shortly. The last time that happened was around ten years ago. I also don't think their pressures to not get an education will be successfull. There are many Elders families that are ignoring that counsel.
When you see a count of inactive witnesses out-number the active ones, this tells you that the GB is losing their inflluence.
Skip that tea and go straight to the Johnny Walker. I remember the comment WC Field's made, he said," It only took one drink to make him drunk. The problem was that I couldn't remember if it was the 7th or 8th"
when i was 14 i decided to dissassociate myself.the elder flipped and met with me and my parents.i shared my feelings about the hypocrisy that i saw in the teachings and actions of the witnesses.i was assured that i simply needed to pray more and that i was too young to comprehend the incidents which had made such a negative impression on me.. .
then they went on to liken my feelings to a man who had a handful of diamonds but could only see the dust on them.. did you ever receive counsel that belittled the real issue?
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Incubus.
You should have asked the Elder who presented the illustration of a handful of diamonds. Was he holding blood diamonds? If that's the case it's worthless to me. What kind of diamonds was he trying to categorize? Not all diamonds are precious. Some come with a bad history.
when i was 14 i decided to dissassociate myself.the elder flipped and met with me and my parents.i shared my feelings about the hypocrisy that i saw in the teachings and actions of the witnesses.i was assured that i simply needed to pray more and that i was too young to comprehend the incidents which had made such a negative impression on me.. .
then they went on to liken my feelings to a man who had a handful of diamonds but could only see the dust on them.. did you ever receive counsel that belittled the real issue?
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I understand CoolhandLukes comments.
They are saying so you are sick of service, reading the publications, meeting attendance then...do more and you'll like it.
Try that on a kid who doesn't like eating brussels sprouts, " Well you don't like that do you lad? Well have some more, more, more...." You get the picture.
how did the wtbs arrive at thier theory?
the misconception is killing me!
help me out...
I really would like to help you out on this one, but, If I did I would have to increase my service report time.
If I do that, they may give me a microphone to carry at the meetings. I know I'm being selfish.
Sorry.
i heard this from a friend of mine who has really, really good bethel connections.
keeping "pioneers" but doing away with the "auxilarys".... anyone else hear about this?.
I've heard that not only the Auxilliary Pioneers, but the Reg Pioneers are due to change as well.
i use to, well i still do think its no better than the confession idea to a priest.. 1. how many elders step down and are removed and what then?.
2. how many people have access to the file cabinet?.
3. my biggest thought is how many that are no longer elders repeat the dirty little secrets?.
The system works well if the Elders can respect the privacy of the congregation.
In our congregation, I was the secretary, and only I and the PO had the keys to the congregation files. The Judicial Committee files however were in a a metal file box that had a separate lock(the PO and I had the keys for this box}. Not all the Elders in the body knew of the details of the files in that box, but they did know about the charges for the congregation member.
We had good body that respected the privacy of such matters, but I do recall two elders that would reveal details to their spouses. They were removed for doing so.
Something disturbed me when I was pioneering in the early 70's. I was talking to a person whose sister was married to an Elder in a congregation in the East of Canada. I asked this person if she had any news about a brother who I had met back then. She was apparently visiting her sister down East, and what she told me was details that could of only been given in a judicial committe. This person giving the info wasn't even in the organization. There was a definite breach of confidentiality there.
I do see the need for talking and confiding our problems to a Mature individuals, but it will backfire if that person can't respect your confidence. You may be better off talking to a Schrink who is under law to maintain your confidence.
i need worldwide report totals year by year, please give me a link to a page where i can find them to make statistics, thanks
Good luck with this.
in my hall (crenshaw congregation) virtually all the young men and women have left.
there is a extreme shortage of elders ... so i have just been made a kh attendant.
i will be assisting the backroom and in the parking lots (etc.).
Hi BBoard,
You really meant to say Crookshaw congregation, right? and, It really was working in the magazine department, right...wink...wink....
That's what it was, silly you and your typo's.
