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  Hi I hope i am welcome

  by cantleave in

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  hi guys and gals,.

  i am a hypocryte.

  brought up in the "truth" but know its not.

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  oompa

  Welcome here Cantleave....but dammit man you CAN leave...and someday probably will be forced to. I doubted for many many years, and am a fourth gen raised in with extensive fam in of course. Sooo wish i had left in 1995....just too big a change when they took away my chance at "never growing old or dying...a special generation".......i never had many "people" issues in the org. as ya there are so many great people in it, and i choose to see the good in people not the bad....I had so many good friends..my issues were aways "teaching" that could not be proven by the bible

  Why you maybe WILL/CAN/MUST leave: You did not say how old your kids are, but most kids today want more freedom than WT allows, esp. when they hit teenage years. Freedom to use the internet among many others. Chances are they WILL find the real truth someday. What are you going to do when one of them either gets in trouble in the congo or looks at you and says, "Dad, how could you have taught me this total bullshit all my life??...I cant do this anymore!"......it happens everyday. Or maybe your kid gets dfd.....what kind of a stand are you going to take if he is not at home? Are you ready to be shunned or looked down upon because to continue to treat him as true family??....Do you have any idea (i know you do since you mentioned how you did not want to df others and saw the trauma of not being judged "repentant") of the devastating trauma people go through...esp. kids when there ENTIRE LIFE AND SOCIAL STRUCTURE is taken away from them?!?!?.....Men on earth, claiming to be gods mouthpiece.......can do this to your kids. As awful as you know it is, you say you are willing to keep your kids and family in this arrangement every day...and it will very likely come back to bite you someday...and do even worse to the emotional well being of your kids.

  Damm that judging ability is WAY to much power to be given men by other men!! Yet as long as you keep your kids in the org, feeding them lies just to keep them moral??.......then you are setting them up for a horrible fall. My son was dfd at 16 and the emotional trauma of losing all friends and grandparents shunning him totally is DEVASTATING!!!!.....Start saving thousands for therapy, cause some never get over it! Rather than think you cant leave because of friends and family, i would think you need to put things into motion to get them all free before it all hits the fan someday anyway. The longer you and esp. the kids are in......the more trauma will result upon wake up or forced exit....it nearly killed me at 45. I know you are new here, but when i read your post it sounded just like i was for ten years after 1995 and i sooo wished i had started the exit wheels in motion then....and saved my little boys from getting baptized...leading to one to df and one to full time servitude who continues to neglect his education......and believe me...trying to wake him up at 18 was toooo late for the poor kid....but i did my best and will not give up.........good luck friend and sorry if i came on to strong here, but it just hit so close to home...and i have seen what their judging has done to my family.....
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  Name Things JWs Believe That Are Not Actually Biblically Provable

  by minimus in

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  here's one example: being a congregation publisher.

  nowhere in the bible does it say you should be a "publisher" and turn in your time if you preach.

  they try to twist the scriptures by saying that numbers are constantly being recorded in the bible so then conforming to the rules of being a publisher is from the scriptures.. yeah, right..

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  Reniaa: Did Jesus just baptise people or was he the Great teacher first? Puhleese renny.....jesus never baptised ANYBODY!...of course if the FDS says he did, you would believe it...just like last year they had a pic of him praying...and the caption said he used the name JEHOVAH in prayer!?!?!?....NOT!!...see there is not a single time in ANY bible where he did that...but you prob believe it cause FDS say it happened.

  By the way...you still seem chicken to take on why an ORIGIN of a holiday should matter if is so ancient that almost NOBODY celebrating the holiday knows it, and also the ORIGIN is not linked to the MOTIVE of why an individual is choosing to celebrate the occasion (i thougt only jesus/god could read hearts and determine motives?)...one thing for sure...if the angels where so happy about jesus birth that they sang out and partied and it was a big enough deal to put in the bible........that would be good enough for me............oompa i did a wt cd search on origins of teachings and their ONE attempt at explaining why it (since 1950) would matter today is totally lame...not even an argument...just an opinion of the fds
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  What Was It That Finally Got You To Leave The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  what pushed you over the edge?.

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  oompa

  when i found out we had our own "fake and fraudulant" bible!.....and they know it....and told me not to tell anybody else......how stoopid...you command some people not to say anything...and duh.....they cant shut up.......like me..........oompa
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  Long time reader.....first time poster

  by JWinprotest in

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  hello everyone, my wife and i are currently associated with jw's.

  my mom converted when i was 3 years old in 1975, my wife was born after her parents converted.

  about 4 years ago however, my wife and i have seen many things that have discouraged us enough to start doing some research into the validity of this religion.

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  oompa

  oompa: and ya.....this is a support site...NOT an apostate site.....

  Leavingwt: This site meets the WT definition of "apostate", for sure. It would also meet the following dictionary definition: "A person who renounces a religion or faith."

  I must assume, Oompa, that you're referring to a different definition of the word "apostate".

  Let's define our words so that they do not become meaningless. OK?

  JWN homepage:

  Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum

  The place to discuss anything relating to Jehovah's Witnesses and the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society... or just make new friends!

  leaving wt...my point is that it is not advertised as an apostate site, but neither is it labeled a support site...for me it is a support site, but even "rabid" apostates are free to post here....i one told my wife that i choose not to read the nutjob apostate posts when i see one......and i have chastised many a poster who "exaggerates" the wrongs of the WT when geeeze......the real truth is bad enough and does not need to be embellished. For me...i see way more support for the many with sad stories here.....and ya...it IS a great place to make friends.......

  as far as the Insight book definition of "apostate"...if we go by the strict sense of hebrew and greek...there are a helluva lot more out there than WT wants to admit:

  it-1p.126Apostasy

  This term in Greek (a·po·sta·si´a) comes from the verb a·phi´ste·mi, literally meaning "stand away from." The noun has the sense of "desertion, abandonment or rebellion."

  so LMAO!!.......that means everyone who has stopped going to meetings is an APOSTATE!!....they have deserted and abandoned the KH for sure...stopped going in service.......ya...they no longer worship in the manner they are "supposed to"........
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  Name Things JWs Believe That Are Not Actually Biblically Provable

  by minimus in

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  here's one example: being a congregation publisher.

  nowhere in the bible does it say you should be a "publisher" and turn in your time if you preach.

  they try to twist the scriptures by saying that numbers are constantly being recorded in the bible so then conforming to the rules of being a publisher is from the scriptures.. yeah, right..

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  oompa

  Renny STILL does not want to talk about how origins do not really matter......and that even wt says this when it suits them.........oompa

  hypocrites!....baseless rule makers
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  Your sex life as a j-dub (not sure if this is the correct forum for this)

  by Psychotic Parrot in

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  if it isn't then i'm sure a mod will move it for me .

  but yeah, for those of you who were married as j-dubs, did you find that being a j-dub somewhat soured things in the saucy department?

  lolz.

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  oompa

  sex life as a dub teenager was really pretty good......you take some hot horny sexually frustrated babes and add me in the mix....we are talkin glands at work..........oompa
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  Has the Rapture started ?

  by wobble in

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  do you think that the rapture has started, slowly with the celebs,mj ff etc ?.

  when is it your turn ?.

  love.

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  oompa

  Pretty sure it has....cause i have had several "rapturous" moments lately........in bed..........oompa
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  lonliness and the very real temptation

  by ryan12 in

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  i studied with the witnesses when i was in high school, 1984 my father didn't care at all but my mother was against it.

  about a 4 month book study with the paradise book.

  we met at a nearby jw's house once a week for a couple of hours.. since i was only exposed to the teachings and the very kind people for a short time i have very good memories of my experience with book study and the jw's.. i'm alone and lonely and they knock and i talk.

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  oompa

  welcome....however........find a nice realy friendly church!.......and find one that does not to be the ONLY one god approves of!!!....THAT SHOULD BE A BIG RED FLAG!...that is so self-righteous.....they sure think a lot of themselves..........beware.............oompa
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  Name Things JWs Believe That Are Not Actually Biblically Provable

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's one example: being a congregation publisher.

  nowhere in the bible does it say you should be a "publisher" and turn in your time if you preach.

  they try to twist the scriptures by saying that numbers are constantly being recorded in the bible so then conforming to the rules of being a publisher is from the scriptures.. yeah, right..

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  oompa

  renny did not answer to my point of what the crap do origins matter?....when even the WT says the same damm thing whenever they want to about some practice.....oompa

  i would love to see a survey of the gen. pop. about every holiday to see if they are aware of the origin......most would say "so what?...that is not why i do it".......doesn't MOTIVE MATTER???.......intent is everything.......

  see if dubs judge you for a b-day or holiday.......they are "imputing wrong motives"!!!!.........taboo in dubland
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  Scientology Ads - Scarey because they are well made

  by Robert7 in

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  check out these ads about scientology.

  scarey because they are actually well done.

  imagine if the wts created high-quality ads on a national media campaign, i bet they would get more converts than wasteful door-to-door work.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1rakws6jb4.

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  oompa

  darn right they are good........i joined last week..........oompa