Excellent article, and scathing!
Tornintwo
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Well written, scathing article that summarises first 3 days of RC hearing.
by Pants of Righteousness inthere's been quite a number newspaper articles quoted over the past week, but i would recommend this as a good summary of the first three days of the royal commission hearing in australia - complete with some scathing commentary.. apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but have not seen this posted previously.. https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/law-crime/2015/08/01/royal-commission-examines-jehovah-witnesses-cover/14383512002194.
just one thing that is not quite right is that the article refers to joe bello as a narrogin elder.
the assualts took place while the victim was part of the narrogin congregation.
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Tornintwo
I'm not sure why this thread got so argumentative so quickly, didn't see much to offend in the op....
anyway, by the way WTs lawyer was conversing with the chair at the end of Friday's session whilst questioning Monica applewhite, it appeared they are ready to make some concessions, speaking of their policies evolving etc..
I wonder if they will allow a mature sister to support the victim, allow testimony by recording or letter to work in line with what has been brought out about protecting the victim, and appease the state a little . But I can't see them changing the 2 witness rule because it is so fundamental to their judicial process.
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Jehovah's Witnesses "Handling Child Abuse Matters" flowchart
by jwleaks injw leaks courtesy of the australian royal commission.
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Tornintwo
This mandatory reporting business is driving me crazy, so much emphasis on if you have to report by law or not.
where's the common sense? Where's the humanity? What kind of state would society be in if nobody ever reported a crime unless they were required by law to do so?
People shouldn't have to be forced to report a person who is clearly a danger to children!!! Nobody should be looking for an excuse to allow a child abuser to go unchecked and unpunished by the authorities which btw 'were placed in their relative positions by God".
shame on any elder who's ever avoided his moral obligation to report such a monster, shame on wt society for actively discouraging elders from doing so.
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Jehovah's Witnesses "Handling Child Abuse Matters" flowchart
by jwleaks injw leaks courtesy of the australian royal commission.
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Tornintwo
Well done Mephis, beat me to it -
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Jehovah's Witnesses "Handling Child Abuse Matters" flowchart
by jwleaks injw leaks courtesy of the australian royal commission.
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Tornintwo
This document is on the website of the royal commission with accompanying notes and many other confidential society letters tee hee hee:
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[Day 4 - 31/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO
by C0ntr013r inby popular demand i give you day 4, and i will finally get a couple of days to sleep .
part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmlcdqesa0&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=11.
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Tornintwo
Stewart (or whoever his researchers are) should write a book about JWs, I'm amazed at how they have been able to cut through the 'spin'.
For example, the way they pulled apart the claims that elders are 'fellow workers' and 'servants', equal to the r&f, the investigators showed:
they are shepherds, not sheep, so they arent equal, they lead
they are claimed to be appointed by Holy Spirit (they had 40 references for this) which statement clearly places them above the publishers as 'closer to god'
they 'take the lead', so they are leaders then?
ultimately they have the authority to form jcs, impose sanctions and decide the spiritual future of the members.
so of course there is no hierarchy is there, everyone is equal? Lol
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JW EXPERT WITNESS FLOORED BY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY LAWYER
by steve2 inmuch has already been written about dr monica applewhite, the expert witness hired by the jw organization.
her job was to provide "expert" testimony to the australian commission of inquiry into jehovsh's witnesses' policies and practices on child sexual abuse.
astonishingly, dr applewhite was unprepared for the inquiry lawyers' questions.
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Tornintwo
I agree with cha.ching, they are looking for a great quote, even now they could say 'an expert witness said we were better than any other religion in our proactive publishing of literature warning against child abuse' or some such, I will be looking out for it on JW broadcasting.
they know they control the r&f so strongly that they will just lap it up and won't research who this expert is or the context...
The only hope is that when the reports conclusion comes (which has to be damning right?) the worlds media makes enough of it to make it headline news which JWs can't ignore and that maybe UK charities commission follows suit and so on...
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Transcripts up for day 4
by Tornintwo inthe transcripts are up for day 4 on the royal commission website .
://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=a0d021ee-d621-45fb-8a81-0ce785d45472&type=transcriptpdf&filename=transcript-(day-150)&fileextension=pdf.
find it easier than watching the whole thing through because you can skim over the boring bits and because i can read discreetly away from uber-dub hubbie, but i do watch parts to get an impression of the witness and see the most excellent mr stewart in action!
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Tornintwo
the transcripts are up for day 4 on the royal commission website
find it easier than watching the whole thing through because you can skim over the boring bits and because I can read discreetly away from uber-Dub hubbie, but I do watch parts to get an impression of the witness and see the most excellent mr Stewart in action!
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[Day 4 - 31/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO
by C0ntr013r inby popular demand i give you day 4, and i will finally get a couple of days to sleep .
part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmlcdqesa0&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=11.
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Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse
by snare&racket ini am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.
also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!
never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.
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Tornintwo
I agree that they're not that smart
they showed by July's JW broadcasting that their main defense is their proactive public articles teaching parents to be aware of child abuse etc. such a defense is more than enough for the r&f who are content to stay blind. Next JW broadcasting, they can proudly say 'an independent expert witness stated that we are better than other organizations in our information on child protection'or some such out of context statement and they will know that the loyal ones will lap it up and won't even google the trial to find out what else was said.
what they didn't expect was that the commission would be examining the private procedures against the publicized information and finding a big difference! But they know with all the warnings on 'apostate driven lies' that most dubs won't even look outside the 'spiritual paradise' at this news. As another poster wisely quoted; 'There are none so blind as they who will not see'.