Posts by Tornintwo

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Having One Of Those "Pondering Disassociation" Days :(

by freemindfade in

there are a lot of things that make me have days like this, the utter embarrassment of being are part of a cult that protects child abusers, that enforces emotional brutality through shunning, and that lies constantly.

the lying i can tolerate, the world is built on bullshit, i have a high lie tolerance.

i can ignore it if it has no effect on me etc.

Tornintwo

I can relate to the 'embarrassment of being a part of this cult' , I have something which helps with this that doesn't involve disassociating. I am now openly admitting to non witness family and friends that I am no longer in agreement with some of the teachings and Im not really a JW anymore, they inevitably ask why you don't walk away completely? and the answer is 'if I do that or admit how I feel then none of them will be able to talk to me again' to which the answer is 'no way?, unbelievable!' and they see even more how wrong the religion is. It feels good to openly acknowledge my distance from the faith now, like rejoining the human race, and I do so safely knowing that none of these people are in touch with any witnesses I know.

my marriage is now in absolute crisis, I just can't support my husbands controlling, over zealous application of JW rules in our family anymore, he's lost any semblance of submission from me (I've put up with way too much crap over the years already) so I've no idea if the marriage will survive, but I'm hanging in there going to a few meetings for my teenage daughter..... It's tough but if it's for someone you really care about you can manage a couple of hours once a fortnight, at least it's not a 10 Hour+ a week commitment with a side order of guilt anymore!

Sympathies from one 'divided home' to another x

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If you could ask Geoffrey Jackson one question that he had to answer what would it be?

by jwleaks in

what question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?

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jw leaks.

Tornintwo

I'm wound up now, In their instructions to the branch, why do they look for excuses to allow appointments of men who have been child abusers in the past, allowing them to retain privileges, or be appointed if the offense was a long time ago and they are 'perceived' (by the untrained, unprofessional elders) to be in good standing. Does any congregation member want a former child abuser as an elder in their hall? However long it was ago.

You do something like that, you should never hold a privilege, small price to pay.

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If you could ask Geoffrey Jackson one question that he had to answer what would it be?

by jwleaks in

what question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?

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jw leaks.

Tornintwo

I'd like him to be questioned about shunning of df'd and da'd child abuse victims:

so a child is abused within the jw organization, his/her case is mishandled by the organization, he/she understandably leaves this religion - and then the religion tells all of her friends and family to shun him/her? How is that a reflection of christ's love and compassion? Doesn't that just compound the abuse and mistreatment?

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If you could ask Geoffrey Jackson one question that he had to answer what would it be?

by jwleaks in

what question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?

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jw leaks.

Tornintwo

splash - quotes from guidelines to service desks: 18. Factors to consider: At times, the conduct of an individual may not be classified as child abuse from the perspective of the congregation, but from a legal standpoint he may be viewed as guilty of such.
19....if the one who views child pornography does not involve anyone else in his actions, this is not considered to be child abuse from a congregational standpoint
WHAT?!?!!?! (Can't get out of the quote box) , thank you Splash for bringing this to our attention. Just shocking! What about the abused child at the other end of the pornographic material? The viewer is contributing and actively encouraging that abuse, do they not realise how many child murderers and abusers started out with child porn (eg. little April Jones killed by Mark Bridger). Just disgusting.

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Leaving the org and marriage possibly ending

by atacrossroads in

jw
friends

i was raised a witness, baptized at 16, vacation pioneered, got married, etc.

i was very much your typical witness and believed it was the truth until last summer.

a very close relative of mine left the witnesses.

Tornintwo

Hi atacrossroads

i am in a similar situation to you, just woken up, but my husband is devout and very controlling. I admire that you have been true to yourself and to your conscience, I hope that they just let you go quietly.

You are right to be relieved there are no children involved, we have 3, 1 out, 1 in but struggling and a baby. That's where the differences really hurt, when we are parenting (particularly our teenager who is still in) and she is struggling with the friendship issue at the moment (not allowed 'worldly' associations but no good friends in the 'truth'). I want to lift the pressure off her and let her make her own decisions about friends, not to let difference of religion get in the way of a friendship, he specializes in making her feel guilty and ashamed if she ever 'defies' him and spends time with her 'worldly' schoolfriends. He is difficult in lots of other ways even the witnesses see it, so right now I'm not sure our marriage will survive. In the past I've always stayed and even put up with abuse because I had to as a good witness wife, that barrier is no longer there, although I'd like to make things work for the sake of the kids, if he'll work with me that is.

if I had a husband who was loving, supportive and a 'good husband' like you do, I would slow down a bit, for the sake of his feelings, it's a shock to him and he has not read what you have read. Concentrate on positive areas of your marriage, recreation etc, spend time doing fun things together, don't criticize his dub ways. But just ask for mutual respect on your different viewpoints, ask him for help not to get df'd. When he sees you are happy doing other things, but still a good wife, he might start to question things himself.

Re the holidays I would not do it under his nose, go to a college do yes, but don't put decorations in the house, it will cause unnecessary friction and damage your fade.

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Rodney Spinks Lies...

by iwasblind in

hi guys.

i actually have had dealings with rod and found him to be a very reasonable and "non-robotic" man in the past.. i know it should not surprise me, but i was disappointed to hear his lies and half-truths.. they know their stuff and are not easily led, but he tried to lead the royal commission to believe that 2 people could be involved in investigating a claim - which is wrong.. his lack of memory on what parts of the judicial process are biblical - hello - none are.

there are no scriptures that backup the use of 3 men, a body of elders, cutting people off from family and friends, restrictions, etc.. he also lied about the gb being involved in policy creation and changes.. his statement that in all cases, elders are told to inform parents that they can go to the authorities and get the full support of the congregation is not verifiable.

Tornintwo

Cult. For lurking JW's..... please plug your brain back in.

hahahaha brilliant

These elders have been obstructive to the commissions goal of improving protection for children, which is unforgivable. uncooperative, pedantic, slippery, untruthful, unbelievably (lit) forgetful, not a good advert for 'the most honest people on earth! '

re. Iwasblinds points about Paul, he wasn't sent forth by the governing body, his ministry areas weren't assigned by the GB, he didn't ask permission or training from them to fulfil his Christian commission. A serious dispute arose which was threatening unity between Gentiles and Jews, unique to its times really considering they had just left such a detailed set of laws, and so the apostles and elders put their heads together on it, but they certainly didn't micromanage every aspect of Christian lives.

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[Day 7 - 5/8]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

i give you day 7 of the royal commissions proceedings:.

part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 and 3 will soon be available.. part 1:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk0lgqedy_i.

Tornintwo

I thought Toole was so slippery, dishonest and uncooperative, very bad advert for the 'truth'. McClellan and co must be frustrated as their genuine goal is to improve procedures in order to protect children, these guys are just obstructive.

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So, I became very ill ... what did my loving brothers do?

by EdenOne in

recently i have fallen ill with a serious case of chickenpox (shingles).

three weeks down, high fevers, and the blisters attacked mostly my scalp and face, but then also my whole upper body.

i looked horrid, truly like a mutant monster out of a nuclear disaster.

Tornintwo

Dumplin, the story about your baby and the elders response is terrible, shocking. I'm so Sorry for your loss, can't imagine how painful it must have been.

Most elders have certainly strained out the gnat and gulped down the camel..

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So, I became very ill ... what did my loving brothers do?

by EdenOne in

recently i have fallen ill with a serious case of chickenpox (shingles).

three weeks down, high fevers, and the blisters attacked mostly my scalp and face, but then also my whole upper body.

i looked horrid, truly like a mutant monster out of a nuclear disaster.

Tornintwo

Don't forget they shun to show their love and motivate you to come associate with them again (lol), I bet you're dying to go back to the meetings now!!

shingles is horrible and very painful. Rest as much as possible because it can come back if you don't recover properly. Also me and my mum in law both found the homeopathic medicine rhus-tox very beneficial in treating and preventing reoccurrence, it's cheap too. Get well soon x

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Jwfacts tv appearance

by sparrowdown in

jw
friends

shout out to jwfacts.. just saw the drum.

excellent job !

!.

Tornintwo

Good job!!! 👏👏👏👍