Posts by Tornintwo

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Just found out their about to baptise my 14 year old boy.

by Crazyguy in

there doing this right under my nose but i just found out.

not sure what to do but would like your help on getting me wt information on my headship role and how they shouldn't be doing this with out my permission.

also would like some help on showing my son the ramifications on what happens to someone when they get baptized and how they'll expect him to treat me.

Tornintwo

My sympathies are with you...my girl got baptised at 14 and even though I was 'in' at the time I knew she wasn't ready and was making an emotional decision to try to fit in. Now she is leaving the religion we have to tread very carefully with a fade so she won't be df'd.

I would try to advise him the things we don't get told when we are baptised, his brain is not even fully developed yet, he is going to mature a lot over the next few years and may want to make different choices, the consequences if he gets baptised at this age are a lot worse than if he just waits it out until he is a bit older to make an informed and mature choice.

As for distracting him from the religion, I didn't try to talk TTATT with my daughter at all, knowing I would push her further in, but she had a lot of problems with friendships in the org, so I just started to let her spend more time with her schoolfriends and she naturally has moved towards them and away from the witnesses, so that now shes made her choice to leave of her own accord. She can't face the judgement of the jws looking at her with criticism because she is associating with 'worldly' ones and she says she can't support a group that wants to see all of her schoolfriends killed at armageddon.

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'Seek the Kingdom First' Economics

by Tornintwo in

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has anyone else's family finances been victim to the 'seek the kingdom first' economic policy?.

for years, my husband and i have had our own business, my husband is not the most proactive guy, prefers to go in field service than to work, but he has always encouraged me to 'rely on jehovah and all these other things will be added to you', 'seek the kingdom first' etc etc.

there have been times, such as when i was heavily pregnant and we lost a big deal, that i have been begging jehovah on hands and knees to honour that promise, wondering why he wasn't helping us.

Tornintwo

Has anyone else's family finances been victim to the 'seek the kingdom first' economic policy?

For years, my husband and I have had our own business, my husband is not the most proactive guy, prefers to go in field service than to work, but he has always encouraged me to 'rely on Jehovah and all these other things will be added to you', 'seek the kingdom first' etc etc. There have been times, such as when I was heavily pregnant and we lost a big deal, that I have been begging Jehovah on hands and knees to honour that promise, wondering why he wasn't helping us. I have been told by elders when were down to our last few pounds that He is a 'last minute' god and we would get help when we really needed it - in actual fact our worldly family have bailed us out several times, but hubby thinks this is from Jehovah also!

The thing is, this in my head now, so this week Im having a bad week in business and I am sat and these niggling thoughts come into my head, 'is it because I'm not going to meetings now J isn't providing for us, is it because I am posting on this ex-jw website?!?!' It's crazy I know, why would almighty God give me a business deal when he simultaneously allows millions of children to die of starvation.

As a result of our family jweconomic policy, we have no savings, no pension and we don't own our own home. I turned down a modelling contract when I was younger and a university place, because it wasn't what the society recommended. And now I'm finally free of this mind control, I still have put up with my husband's seek the kingdom first way of providing for his family. Although I would really like to make some serious changes in our work/life situation, it is extremely difficult to do so because I'm up to my neck in the family business & caring for children, I am currently working on a long term plan but boy I so wish I had the last 25 years back.

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My First Birthday.....

by The Marvster in

i awoken today and realised immidiately i'm 44 today... and after 3 years of being out, decided to acknowledge my birthday.... i'm off out to treat myself to a big hearty breakfast with cup of tea in the local weatherspoon's by the massive pond full of weird bird-life, later today i'm giving myself a gift of a 90 minute relaxation session in a float tank down by canary wharf in london.... only really have 2 close friends (it's a slow process trusting people agian) and they probably won't be able to see me today, but i'm sure i'll have a belated surprise from them both.... the first thing i did when i remembered was to rush to the computer, connect to the web and put on stevie wonder's 'happy birthday', as i listen to it, tears stream down my face... all those years of my life stolen ' but..... i'm free....'.

Tornintwo

Happy Birthday!!!! Don't forget no chopping anyone's head off!

but seriously, found your post very moving, would love to give you a big hug

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Paranoia after today's Watchtower

by Truthexplorer in

boy oh boy did i feel paranoid at today's wt.

not only are we to watch our associations outside of the congregation, but also watch our associations 'within' the congregation.

this was emphasised by the wt study conductor.

Tornintwo

They still do marking where I am, although it might not have that label as such.

About a year ago In another cong the elders found out a boy of about 20 went to a 'worldly' party and kissed a girl, all of the youths in the congregation were told by the elders not to associate with him for 6 months, he stuck it out and after his 'punishment' was allowed to associate with them again. He's one of the only ones with a car so the kids were glad to have him back.

i just find it crazy, what are other kids of 20 doing sexually? This guy is crossing his legs for the org. And makes one small mistake, a kiss, and so has to face social isolation for 6 months, poor guy, surprised it didn't wake him up. Of course they're all patting themselves on the back that the 'discipline' worked.

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What are the things that wake people up from the Watchtower Corporation?

by punkofnice in

when i became an elder i saw the dark side.

a side i previously believed couldn't possibly exist in the one true religion of the happiest people on earth.. then they rolled out 'overlapping generations(tm)' and that was the last straw.. all my life i had doubts but surpressed them thinking i was at fault and not the cult leaders.. it seems more likely that now the governing body are parading around like popes, wearing their expensive jewellery, that this will nauseate even dyed in the wool jws.. i wonder if the wake up can be condensed into main categories?.

1. experiencing the cruel handling of matters by the wbt$ reps.. 2. crazy doctrine (eg.

Tornintwo

I think there has to be some moment which makes you think 'maybe this isn't Jehovah's organisation....'

For me it was having my kids mistreated by a prominent elder, who showed no remorse whatsoever, a real nasty piece of work - next assembly who's giving the talk about being more loving? - that was the first moment when I thought 'maybe Jehovah's spirit isn't here after all.....' -

That got the ball rolling, then there were many other examples of lack of love, judgementalism, mistreatment of vulnerable ones. People saying bat**** crazy things when my son drifted away such as 'it's worse than if he had died....' What!?....An elder gave a talk and emphasised that all children of non-witnesses will die at Armageddon, etc etc...the snowball effect was in flow...

All of this comes to the point when you 'allow' yourself to research your doubts and look at the other side of the argument, thankfully I found this forum and JWfacts very quickly - bang - eyes open!

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Paranoia after today's Watchtower

by Truthexplorer in

boy oh boy did i feel paranoid at today's wt.

not only are we to watch our associations outside of the congregation, but also watch our associations 'within' the congregation.

this was emphasised by the wt study conductor.

Tornintwo

Sounds like the anti communist paranoiia in the McCarthy era in the USA....

Or worse East Germany in the Stazi era....

Or China today...

and so on.....

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Paranoia after today's Watchtower

by Truthexplorer in

boy oh boy did i feel paranoid at today's wt.

not only are we to watch our associations outside of the congregation, but also watch our associations 'within' the congregation.

this was emphasised by the wt study conductor.

Tornintwo

I'm sorry Nicolaou, what happened with him?

my son was a suspect teen, he made the break after being rejected by the judgemental lot, funny thing was, he was still at all the meetings and on the ministry, but this hair and attitude wasn't good enough for them. It was very painful for him at the time and he's had a lot of anger issues and experimented with drugs etc since but he's becoming more stable now, he has a good bunch of new friends who are unconditional. When I saw the way the witnesses treated him when he left, it started my awakening.

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Paranoia after today's Watchtower

by Truthexplorer in

boy oh boy did i feel paranoid at today's wt.

not only are we to watch our associations outside of the congregation, but also watch our associations 'within' the congregation.

this was emphasised by the wt study conductor.

Tornintwo

This kind of rubbish makes me so angry and is dangerous. I've seen it cause real problems for young ones in the congregation. So you have a young boy or girl, hits 14, is feeling the pull of their worldly friends at school etc and the normal turmoil of adolescence, perhaps they are trying to find themselves, so they get a bit of an attitude, cut or dye their hair, start to express themselves with some cooler or more alternative clothes and music .....all completely normal behavior for teenagers!!! But because of this awful indoctrination, other young ones in the cong and more often their parents start looking at this youth with suspicion and judgment, perhaps they are no longer a 'good association'. So they get uninvited to social events, avoided by other youths in the organisation and rumors spread.

What next? we have a youth who faces a loneliness and isolation from the only piers he/she is permitted to associate with, at a time of life when they desperately want the company of their piers. A) they remain lonely and frustrated until they conform to the drone ideal and prove themselves to the self righteous, judgemental brothers. B) they do the only sensible thing and move towards their 'worldly' associates and leave the org. With all the pain and fallout that goes with it, whilst the judgemental lot shake their heads and lament, 'I told you there was something worldly about him/her'. C) they are driven to depression or even suicide having been rejected by the only community they have ever known.

Makes me sick.

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Hubby has been doing research on the internet!!!!

by atacrossroads in

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my husband was recently subjected to an intervention by his parents.

i am apparently a danger to his spirituality.

after i stopped attending meetings and went apostate hubby decided to resign as a ms to spend more time with me.

Tornintwo

Wow, what a result! Great news for you. Isn't it ironic that their controlling, critical form of showing 'love' is having the opposite effect on him. Try to point him to jwfacts.com if you can, some of the other apostate websites can turn people back to the org they can be overly bitter and critical, imo

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What is Your Favorite JW YouTube Video?

by cognac in

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maybe it's shocking, funny, a good story, etc.. i was just watching the one below... i was shocked!

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qmypu7mxo.

Tornintwo

Can we have a 'serious ex-jw you tube video' thread too, there's so much crap out there I don't know which ones are really good to watch. I'm talking about experiences, former elders, recorded judicial meetings etc, any top recommendations?