Tornintwo

Joined

• started 46 topics
• posted 522 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Tornintwo

• 
  28

  Things WT Would Have To Do To Be An Acceptable Religion

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  drop shunning or at least drop shunning among family members.

  make blood transfusions a conscience matter, no more hlc.

  drop the two witness rule, mandatory reporting of child abuse, no privileges for offenders.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  Great thread...I agree with rogues original list and finkelsteins additons...

  Possibly I'm duplicating but:

  drop all titles and pressure to 'do more'

  no more star chamber judicial proceedings

  admit you have been 'presumptuous' and that you are not the one true channel, your just trying like all the other Christians in the earth....

  stop being masters of our faith in all manner of minutiae

  oh and BTW, quite a few Protestant religions believe in paradise earth 'in the end', in the recreation and reconciliation to God...was a shocker to me too.
• 
  25

  The new brchoure

  by Sabin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the gestapo body, brought out a brochure, i believe it was called return to jehovah.

  in it they gave 3 reasons why some-one left the borganization.

  if i remember 1 was because the person is angry at some one in the cong, or something along those lines.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  Great post and answers. Divergent, I think you got it spot on. The brochure does nothing to address the real issues and questions that doubters and leavers have, they never look at themselves or their terrible track record. Especially in regard to the hurt feelings aspect, all of the blame is put on the victim for taking it wrong, not being spiritual enough to cope with it, not being forgiving, not 'leaving it with jehovah'. They never address the fact that there are so many bullying, manipulative, nasty, power tripping 'shepherds' in this organisation stumbling the meek ones left, right and center. The abuser analogy is right.
• 
  23

  "Don't think too much...."

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a couple of middle aged jw sisters dropped round unannounced the other day, they were only being kind i suppose, after some awkward silences i voiced a couple of my issues with the religion, (the safe ones), sort of an explanation as to why i'm no longer attending, namely: everyone else will die, lack of support for young ones, mistreatment/judgementalism by prominent ones who get away with it because 'they're imperfect and we have to wait on jehovah' etc.

  well, after sympathizing and telling me horror stories about awful elders and their own kids' issues in the past (how some left the truth, had bitter divorces from fellow witnesses etc) they then begged me to 'come back to jehovah', 'he misses me' apparently.

  finally, the more pushy one summed it up with 'you're thinking too much, it's not good for you', 'some issues you just have to put in a drawer and forget about....'.. hmm nice reasoning sisters, theocratic school training at its finest!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  A couple of middle aged jw sisters dropped round unannounced the other day, they were only being kind I suppose, after some awkward silences I voiced a couple of my issues with the religion, (the safe ones), sort of an explanation as to why I'm no longer attending, namely: everyone else will die, lack of support for young ones, mistreatment/judgementalism by prominent ones who get away with it because 'they're imperfect and we have to wait on jehovah' etc. Well, after sympathizing and telling me horror stories about awful elders and their own kids' issues in the past (how some left the truth, had bitter divorces from fellow witnesses etc) they then begged me to 'come back to Jehovah', 'he misses me' apparently. Finally, the more pushy one summed it up with 'you're thinking too much, it's not good for you', 'some issues you just have to put in a drawer and forget about....'.

  hmm nice reasoning sisters, theocratic school training at its finest! Jehovah's witnesses, please leave your brain at the door.....
• 
  100

  10 Years out of the JW Organization- What I've Learned ( For what it's Worth)

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  10 years ago i stopped attending jehovah's witness meetings for good.

  walked out of the kingdom hall cold turkey never to return based on injustices i observed among others and myself at the hands of elders giving out not god's counsel but personal opinions as counsel .

  some of them weren't even giving out wt society counsel- just personal opinions.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  Ding, well said, I remember when I first learned women weren't allowed to hold the microphones, whaaaat!!! Now why on earth did I not run out of the Kingdom Hall that day screaming 'cult, cult'!? Could have saved me 25 years of crappy decisions.
• 
  100

  10 Years out of the JW Organization- What I've Learned ( For what it's Worth)

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  10 years ago i stopped attending jehovah's witness meetings for good.

  walked out of the kingdom hall cold turkey never to return based on injustices i observed among others and myself at the hands of elders giving out not god's counsel but personal opinions as counsel .

  some of them weren't even giving out wt society counsel- just personal opinions.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  Hey flipper and otow, faders and lurkers, I've walked away cold turkey and I have to say with every day the fog is clearing more. No repercussions yet, although my jw husband is committed to protecting me and my daughter from such so we're lucky, he isn't the spiteful 'run to the elders' type. My teenage daughter has followed me out. I agree, it gave her the option, she didn't have to keep trying to please her parents and she could admit to herself that she wanted unlimited friendships, extracurricular activities, celebrations, sleep ins at the weekend, higher education and a basic normal life! Who wouldn't? To parents out there I say lead by example.
• 
  68

  So ... Russia and Nato at war? Should we be worried?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it seems unbelievable but turkey (a nato member state) shooting down a russian jet fighter on their syrian border seems to be "meh" news and no one is too bothered about it too much.. the world seems a bit upside down right now.

  i don't think a lot of countries really know who the hell they are fighting and who is and isn't on their side in it all and really what is going on.. smaller incidents than this have led to major conflicts in the past but hopefully calm heads will prevail.

  china shot down a us spy plane years ago and the world survived and forgot about it so things will move on i'm sure.. i'm guessing the price turkey pays for their gas supply from russia will be going up soon though.. man, that republican primary is sucking all the news attention from the room.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  This whole situation in Syria makes you wonder why Assad won't put his hands up and say 'I messed up, let someone else have a try'...

  In my dreamworld I imagine a solution where Assad calls for free democratic elections in say a year's time, in which he declares he will NOT run, declare a ceasefire and bring the peacekeepers in and a temporary government, establish safe zones for refugees. The genuine parties should want to take part in the political process so then the only ones left fighting should be the nutty psychopath ISIS etc which should then be easier to deal with (with the other two parties on ceasefire). Okay I am sure this is too simplistic and idealistic but maybe it could work....

  What stands in the way of this?.... ASSAD will never step down because this conflict is about GAS supplies to Europe. Russia doesn't want to lose it's monopoly on gas to Qatar etc who want to lay pipelines through Syria, Assad won't allow the pipelines, any Western backed government would, Russia can't let that happen....
• 
  100

  10 Years out of the JW Organization- What I've Learned ( For what it's Worth)

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  10 years ago i stopped attending jehovah's witness meetings for good.

  walked out of the kingdom hall cold turkey never to return based on injustices i observed among others and myself at the hands of elders giving out not god's counsel but personal opinions as counsel .

  some of them weren't even giving out wt society counsel- just personal opinions.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  was feeling a bit down today and googling for support I stumbled upon this post on JWstruggle, didn't know who it was by until I got to the end and thought I would give this duplicate post a bump...

  Thanks Mr Flipper for you and all the regular posters on here helping us newbies stay on the right track and cope with the fallout of leaving this damn mind control organisation which frankly 'f''s with your head.

  
  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2014/01/ten-years-after-leaving-the-jehovahs-witness-religion/
• 
  113

  I just found out that my youngest brother committed suicide

  by SnakesInTheTower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my middle brother called me a couple of hours ago.

  our youngest brother, josh, who was 38, was found by his friends in his apartment.

  he hung himself.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  I'm so so sorry, theres no right way to deal with such news, look after yourself and get as much support as possible. it happened in my husband's family and I know it is devastating to all. thinking of you and your family.
• 
  11

  Please how can I create a website?

  by COLLINS in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please i want someone to teach me how i create websites.thanks!.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  Try wix
• 
  16

  Searching for those who "know" TTAT

  by EyesOpenHeartBroken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anybody have any tips for conversation starters to covertly feel out someone in the cong that you suspect is a "knower" about ttat?.

  any success or experiences to share?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Tornintwo

  "I always thought the truth would set you free, but to be honest, I find the truth is getting me down at the moment, making me feel restricted, guilty and never good enough - do you ever feel like that?"

  If they are still in they will try to 'help' you with your doubts/depression but if out they might just open up...