Posts by Tornintwo

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Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

by snare&racket in

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i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

Tornintwo

I agree that they're not that smart

they showed by July's JW broadcasting that their main defense is their proactive public articles teaching parents to be aware of child abuse etc. such a defense is more than enough for the r&f who are content to stay blind. Next JW broadcasting, they can proudly say 'an independent expert witness stated that we are better than other organizations in our information on child protection'or some such out of context statement and they will know that the loyal ones will lap it up and won't even google the trial to find out what else was said.

what they didn't expect was that the commission would be examining the private procedures against the publicized information and finding a big difference! But they know with all the warnings on 'apostate driven lies' that most dubs won't even look outside the 'spiritual paradise' at this news. As another poster wisely quoted; 'There are none so blind as they who will not see'.

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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!

by LostGeneration in

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

anyone know who this monty baker is?

i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".

Tornintwo

Great commentary everyone, thank you!

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[Day 3 - 29/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

since the responds was very positive and because of the "cliffhanger" from day 2, i decided to record day 3 as well.. part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0&index=7&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui.

(it will take a little while before 1080p becomes available as youtube processes the video.).

Tornintwo

Your a star, us Brits have to stay up all night otherwise, with a toddler to look after its not an option x

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[Day 3 - 29/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

since the responds was very positive and because of the "cliffhanger" from day 2, i decided to record day 3 as well.. part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0&index=7&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui.

(it will take a little while before 1080p becomes available as youtube processes the video.).

Tornintwo

Is day 4 available?

Thanks for recording!

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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?

by Wasanelder Once in

are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

do you feel personally vindicated by it?

do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?

Tornintwo

You have to have a slight understanding of abusive relationships to understand why it isn't enough to say 'the victim could have reported it herself, or 'her mother could have reported it'

these girls were subject to sexual abuse, physical abuse, mental and emotional abuse, of course it stands to reason that the wife was probably abused emotionally and physically also. People in this situation are fearful, vulnerable, damaged and often dependent on the abuser, that's why so many battered wives inexplicably stay for so long.

That's why it is beholden upon anyone who has first hand knowledge of the abuse to get help from the authorities so that these women could be removed from this situation and to prevent similar abuse to any other innocent children, to not report it is unforgivable. It beggars belief.

the documents on the commission website include guidance to elders about reporting, they only approve reporting if it is mandatory? Why? Why shouldn't an elder be encouraged to report such a heinous criminal offense? They make statements like 'we can claim ecclesiastical privilege' showing their concern is not to report if at all possible. They've got it horribly wrong, this will bring much more 'reproach' on jws than handing criminals over for proper punishment ever would have done.

as for how I feel, I feel i no longer have to doubt that they might just have 'the truth', this organization definitely does not have Gods spirit or backing and he might not be too happy with them right now!

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Nine Seconds that says it all. Have these elders any shame?

by Wasanelder Once in

what can i add?

this says it all.. elder on stand is mute till prompted.. .

i guess i could encourage you to watch to the end and a guest commentary, lol..

Tornintwo

It just is so bizarre to me that none of them, as an individual with their own sensibilities and conscience, decided to report this to the authorities. It's clear that the daughters and quite possibly the mother were abused and vulnerable and therefore not strong enough mentally/emotionally at the time to do so themselves, but it is an absolute no brainer that if you hear first hand about something like this it is a CRIME and should be investigated by the AUTHORITIES so that this evil man could not do it to anyone else.

The only explanation as to why none of them did (and not one of 1006 cases were reported either) is that they were members of a high control institution which discouraged reporting to the secular authorities, whether in writing or not, and this is a fact this organization will not be able to escape from.

BTW The scripture in Lev 5:1 about reporting another's sins is applicable to a court of law, the only court of the land in that context, not just a 'spiritual' court. So if they knew about such a crime, they were under obligation to report it to the legal authority of the land even by their own scriptural reasoning.

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JW Reaction to Royal Commission Reports

by maksutov in

has anybody confronted any jws with the royal commission reports on the news yet?

i showed my 8-year old daughter a newspaper headline about it, and when she told my jw wife that the jws in australia were in trouble for not reporting over 1,000 child abusers to police, her response was "oh, really?

well, i don't know what the rules are over there.

Tornintwo

I keep trying to speak to my husband about it and he is freaking out, says he doesn't want to hear it, that he is very happy with the society's response to child abuse as outlined in the July broadcasting where AMIII said he was 'proud' of their record on this issue (puke).

ive tried a few times saying 'it's on cnn now, it's on bbc, this is huge, you have to see this' but he shouts me down and said he didn't want to listen and might have to get 'help' from the elders to keep me quiet about it. Aaaaaarrrgggh it's so annoying!!!!! I just about managed to say 'they knew about over 1000 abusers and didn't report 1'. Let's hope he thinks on that.

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

Tornintwo

What a question....

proverbs 21:13 Whoever stops up his ear to the cry of the lowly one Will himself call and not be answered.

You have to consider, if there is a Jehovah, he can't be very happy with this lot who claim to be representing him!

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Australia Evidence List is public and contains Elders Book

by Skidmarks in

there is so much information on the website of the hearing.

you can find the full transcripts of each day there as pdf.. but also the evidence list is very interresting.

it contains many confidential letters from congregations but also from the hq to branch offices.. the full list can be seen here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

Tornintwo

Skid marks, I had the same thoughts.

its quite amazing to see the religion through the eyes of these well educated investigators.

I was indoctrinated all these years into thinking we don't make man made rules like the Pharisees and we don't have titles or a hierarchy because everyone is equal, elders are there to serve. Seeing the reality there in black and white that it's 'a rule bound organization obsessed with sinning and with a highly centralized hierarchical structure'- its just so obvious now, I'm fuming with myself for not seeing it sooner!

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Australia Evidence List is public and contains Elders Book

by Skidmarks in

there is so much information on the website of the hearing.

you can find the full transcripts of each day there as pdf.. but also the evidence list is very interresting.

it contains many confidential letters from congregations but also from the hq to branch offices.. the full list can be seen here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

Tornintwo

Wow, there are so many confidential letters on there from NY to Australia etc, instructions to service committees, flowcharts on handling a use accusations.

ive just read a few and one thing is very clear, their emphasis is on maintaining confidentiality and avoiding reporting to authorities if at all possible, only if reporting is mandatory do they then instruct elders to make a report to the authorities. It is all about what they have to do by law and can avoid if at all possible using ecclesiastical privilege etc, nothing about how the victim may need support In taking a matter like that to the authorities.

Also, several times it mentions that elders are the ones to establish if there is any truth in the accusation. Hopefully the commission will establish that they're woefully inadequate to make that judgement.

the GB must be horrified that all these docs are now in the public domain.