I would love to hear a recording of this talk and put it on the web for all hear the spiritual abuse.
Tornintwo
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Call For Children To Get Baptised From CO
by freemindfade inso i've been pretty good at not going to meetings lately.
yesterday i went for the co's last talks.
older co. his last talk was absolutely shocking.
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Call For Children To Get Baptised From CO
by freemindfade inso i've been pretty good at not going to meetings lately.
yesterday i went for the co's last talks.
older co. his last talk was absolutely shocking.
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Tornintwo
OMG when you hear these things doesn't it just confirm that you are right to leave?!?
A major factor in my waking up was hearing a prominent elder giving a talk which confirmed that all children of none-believers would be destroyed. During the same week he gave a field service group and he mentioned a news story where a number of children had been shot in a school, he said 'we are looking for people who are sighing and groaning over these kind of terrible news stories so that we can give them the good news about the kingdom'
I was looking around at everyone who had just a few days heard his 'millions of kids will die at armageddon' public talk, they were just nodding and agreeing whilst I was totally incredulous, like - "does no-one else see the irony?!??"
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Hartlepool UK JW groomed girl for sex
by wifibandit inhttp://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/crime/jehovah-s-witness-from-hartlepool-groomed-girl-for-sex-1-7504907.
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Tornintwo
That's terrible. Couldnt you go forward and tell the police what you know, ask to remain anonymous to the families involved , but then the police would hopefully investigate and maybe the girls would be moved to tell them what happened. If there is sexual assault in his history the police should be made aware. -
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A new member
by Kurteousmaximus inhi... i am new and after nearly 20 years after being disassociated at 15 i would like to make contact with others who have similar difficulties.
my mother was disfellowshipped shortly after my rebellion and had all ties with both her mother and brother cut and that remains the case.. just really hacked off with not being able to put things in the proper place in my life after all these years.
for the record i don't know if i believe in god but am searching for some peace as i seem to self destruct on a regular basis.. any ideas anyone?.
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Tornintwo
Hi KM - so nice to see you here.
I am quite a new member too, (appx 6 months) - I came into the 'troof' at 15 and am leaving 25 years later - I think you got it the right way round.
I raised 2 kids in this stupid religion and it has messed with both their heads, they are feeling the fallout now of not being allowed to be normal, something I regret and both are having issues in one way or another, which I am trying to help them with. So I can really understand how you could still have difficulties now if you didn't deal properly with the cult mind control and the sense of loss when you left way back when.
As you've seen from the other posters - there is great advice and support here, plus some laughs, its so nice to see lively debate when we come from a place where we couldn't question things.
On the faith side, I feel there is a God which gives me comfort and I think Jesus teachings are beautiful & everyone should try to live by them, but I don't feel I have to have all the answers anymore and I am keeping an open mind as I take in info from all sides - I hope that helps a bit.
Welcome and hugs, have a great weekend with your kids x
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Found Nephew. Sisters incredible reaction.
by umbertoecho ini won't make this long.
i went out again and found him.
got in through the back door, pushed him to wake up, got him out, fed him, watered him and said he was family and i have a plan.. we talked all day, i let him do what he does, in order not to scare him about the future change that could happen for him.
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Tornintwo
You're a wonderful person, sending hugs across the miles, well done finding and helping your nephew, I hope and pray the treatment succeeds.
What self centered narrow minded people the org. breeds.
Lets hope he gets well and becomes a healthy, happy, balanced and educated individual, free from cult guilt and fear
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The right to shun - wrong?
by Simon inmany people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
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Tornintwo
Mickey mouse said it all - its the organisational encouragement of shunning, even within families, even shunning of vulnerable young people by close family members - by a CHARITY. This has got to a problem area for any charity watchdog. -
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Introducing...ME
by Heartsafire inlong time lurker here.
i'm a fifth gen born-in baptized jw.
to say i've been struggling with doubts is an understatement.
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Tornintwo
dear heartsafire - welcome what a brilliant first post!
Doest it feel great to finally acknowledge those doubts, listen to them and research your way out of the 'guilt laden fog' of WT teachings!
I am new here too, just 6 months since I finally acknowledged my doubts and was brave enough to look at 'Apostate' websites - jwfacts.com has been great for me, it confirmed my own suspicions but opened me up to a lot more inconsistencies too. Also Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom are MUST reads. You will get great advice on here and I agree its so freeing to laugh at the irreverent posts about the GB etc, when we've been so careful for so long about what we should and shouldn't say.
I have a zealous husband too, but thankfully, we are both converts so our parents and extended family are not JWs. I started telling him my doubts by asking him sincere questions about the child abuse cover ups, why only witnesses will survive (1 in 1000) , family shunning, bad treatment of others by 'appointed' ones etc.. etc.. - as I researched I told him more and more (UN, Malawi, false prophecies) and the walls came up, he got very angry/upset and said he can't hear anything more negative about the society. He arranged a shepherding call for me with the C.O. and I managed to come across as sincere and doubting. I've faded fast, now not attending (maybe once a month only) on the positive side, my husband really doesnt want me to get df'd and is committed to protecting me from that. We've had issues over our kids mainly but thats a whole other story.
I feel for those so much who are 2nd generation or more - that is a whole lot of family and community to lose. You will get good advice on here on fading slowly (depression/anxiety excuse works for missing meetings), using sincere questions to get your husband to think and how to sidestep a grilling from the elders.
even if you can't be totally free because of your family - at least your mind is free
lots of love x
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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony
by jwfacts ini have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.
it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.
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Tornintwo
Just skimmed so far but as usual looks thorough and brilliant research.
I just want to say thank you, I woke up about 6 months ago and I turned away from other hysterical/ bitter websites before I found yours (recommended on here) which is so balanced, reasonable & logical, it crystalised my doubts and revealed many more inconsistencies about the WTBTS. Thank you for all of your hard work and research allowing me to think clearly again and come out of the guilt laden fog I was in.
i would love to see more from the commission testimony on your site, especially re the infamous 'presumptuous' for which you already have the perfect WT quote on your site:
"Is it presumptuous of Jehovah's Witnesses to point out that they alone have God's backing? Actually, no more so than when the Israelites in Egypt claimed to have God's backing in spite of the Egyptians' belief, or when the first-century Christians claimed to have God's backing to the exclusion of Jewish religionists." Watchtower 2001 Jun 1 p.16
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Hey you! Murderers you!
by umbertoecho inhello, people, fellow freaks, thinkers, out-raged ones.
this is about my lovely wonderful brain dead jw sister and her equally piss weak jw husband and how they treat their own son.
my nephew!!.
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Tornintwo
Did you find him, can you get him help? I hope and pray you can help him.
i have 2 teenagers and the longer I'm out the more I realize one of the most reprehensible things about this religion is the way they treat their youths, categorized by guilt, judgement, demand for robotic conformity, rejection....all at the time in their lives they need most support and nurturing.
having said that we were jw parents and never beat our kids, what that man did to a 2 year old is abuse out and out, he should be locked up, I dread to think what happened when you weren't there. Once again, hoping and praying you can help your poor nephew.
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Powerfully heart-wrenching experience by FORMER BETHLITE
by Black Man injust wanting to post an experience by a former bethelite.
the first part was just published with the other two coming overt the next couple of weeks.
click the link.
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Tornintwo
Good experience. Its shocking the way she was treated at bethel. It reaffirms how much this religion is about control and power over women. They do seem like they belonged together and found their peace.