Or, as I heard it today...
The difference between the Mayans and the JW's is that the Mayans will never set another wrong date.
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Posts by AnneB
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What happened to the 1st century FDS
by Freeof1914 ini was giving this new understanding from the annual meeting some thought and several things struck me as odd.
first and foremost the gb has now essentially set themselves up to be even superior to the twelve apostles, handpicked by jesus!
according to this new understanding the fds did not come about into existenced until 1918/19... i forget the exact year.
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AnneB
My hopes in raising these questions is that a person on the fence about the witness belief system could possibly read our thoughts and decide for themselves on the absurdity of all the claims made by the watchtower.
Remember WT's "Questions From Readers", aka Questions We Wish Readers Would Ask So We Can Preach Our Version To Them? Sooooo fake. Why use such an underhanded and propagandistic tactic? Let people come to this board and read real things, not fake posts that don't represent your real position or beliefs. Leave deviousness to the devious. Be real.
I remember how dismayed I was the first time I posted to a topic and then discovered that the original poster had done the same thing you just did. One of the effects of that type of post is to doubt the sincerity of any post asking a question....and how is that going to help someone "on the fence" and truly seeking?
There are people who come here looking for relief from deception. Alternative perspectives are one thing, posting as though you believe something that you don't has quite another name.
In peace,
AB
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What happened to the 1st century FDS
by Freeof1914 ini was giving this new understanding from the annual meeting some thought and several things struck me as odd.
first and foremost the gb has now essentially set themselves up to be even superior to the twelve apostles, handpicked by jesus!
according to this new understanding the fds did not come about into existenced until 1918/19... i forget the exact year.
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AnneB
Try this:
Assuming that there was a Jesus and he was sent by God and he did say the majority of the things attributed to him...
He told his disciples that when they saw certain signs (Jerusalem surrounded, etc.), to flee to the mountains. Why the mountains? High point. They were picked up by a transport vehicle (spaceship, celestial chariot, raptured) and that was the end of a chapter on the mission Jesus was sent to accomplish.
Fast forward over at least a century of no credible faithful left on earth, then...
People began picking up on accounts by those "left behind", old wives tales, fragments of things written, etc. Little by little over the course of a couple of centuries, these fragmentary accounts coalesced into something that migh tbe called a "Christian" movement, which so upset the ruling power that he caused a Council to convene and to create an "official" order to the conflicting versions of what went on back there. A catfight ensued, and the winners published what we now call "The Bible" (the catfights continue). With an official doctrine and a group of people to enforce and promote it, Christianity came into being...about 300 years after Jesus was dead and after the people who believed his message and followed it to the last detail were no longer on earth to let people know that what was being passed off as The Only True God's Only True Religion was concocted by a bunch of guys who weren't there, didn't know anybody who was there, didn't live up to the teachings themselves, and who were anxious to gain favor with a powerful political ruler who, himself, didn't know what to believe.
With all of that in mind, does it really matter what another bunch of guys, i.e., The Boys From Brooklyn, think? Everything they teach is founded on shifting sand.
If it's really important to you to get to the root of the matter, I'd say: 1) Don't trouble your head trying to figure out what WT says or does, 2) Tell yourself that, according to what we've been told the Jesus person taught, he'll be back to set things straight for the rest of us, and 3) Spend your time in accordance with these words: Love God with your whole soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.
You don't have to completely comprehend either God or your neighbor to do that, and you will be able to do a whole lot of good (whilst keeping yourself away from a whole lot of aggravation) in the time you have left in this life.
That's my "answer" to your topic question.
AB
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Looking After Widows and Orphans... and Spending One's "Riches"
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
from time to time the issue of how to fulfill the "form of worship that is acceptable to god," mentioned by james in his letter, namely, looking after widows and orphans "in their tribulation"... comes up.
given the issue of tithing, the plethora of institutionalized charity choices, and the existence of ones in need, perhaps in our own households and families... but certainly in our towns, countries... and around the world... how does one fulfill this requirement?
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AnneB
Shelby,
This is one of the things I appreciate about you: you take a kernel of information and cultivate it until it turns into full-blown comprehension...then you share it! How many people, after putting in all the work it takes to come to understanding on something, are so willing to freely give the results of that work to others?
Your posts make me think.
Thank you.
AB
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Your response: THE WRITTEN WORD weakens the human mind....Y? N?
by Terry inwhat reaction do you have--what ideas and responses to what socrates was trying to say?.
has the written word created a weakening in the human mind?.
does relying on books and the thoughts of others cripple our freedom and originality of thought?.
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Letter From Whitney's Mother
by breakfast of champions injust saw this on google news.
link to letter here.. .
dear family, i want to tell you that although this has been the worst of my lifes tribulations, that i am still standing.. the obvious reason is that jehovah is the faithful keeper of promises holding to his word that never, would his great love allow his precious children to be tested beyond what we could bear.
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AnneB
The mom said: "...although there was a horrific hole cut from my heart, I have been squeezed so tightly with your love that it has already closed enough to let me breathe..."
This mother is in pain almost beyond what it is possible to bear and remain sane. If what she wrote (above) is true, then she's very fortunate indeed. Some of us were didn't have anyone to love us through losing a child/children.
Weep with those who weep. Don't concern yourself right now with trying to combat what WT/JW's may be doing to inveigle others into the organization. Care about the mother. There will be time for everything else afterward, but right now she (and the others) need every possible good thought or vibe that can possibly be sent.
Speaking from experience,
AnneB
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Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots
by AndersonsInfo inautopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.
salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.
heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .
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AnneB
Undercover: I, too, have been thinking about that statement that he forced her to have oral sex. That's his statement! It could be that he shot her because she wouldn't comply! I just can't imagine that the good JW that Whitney is painted to be (and I believe it) would go against God just because somebody pointed a gun at her.
The other thing I've come to realize is that Holt's wife won't have any trouble divorcing him; he's admitted to adultery!
I do feel very, very sad for her and for Whitney's husband and family. This is a case that will remain in my memory for a long time, maybe for the rest of my life. It's not just because she was a JW; I don't know exactly why it is. Maybe it's because no one has had a single bad word to say about Whitney; hat's rare these days.
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Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots
by AndersonsInfo inautopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.
salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.
heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .
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AnneB
Moshe: Here's an article to answer your question about what the elders knew: http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2012/10/jonathan_holt_disappeared_with.html
Whitney Heichel case: Jonathan Holt disappeared with friend's rental car in 2011 in 'mental breakdown'
"Jonathan Holt, who faces aggravated murder charges in the death of Whitney Heichel, disappeared with a friend’s rental car one afternoon in 2011 then reappeared early the next morning, saying he had “a mental breakdown,” according to a Gresham police report.
"The report was filed by Holt’s friend, Nathan Bargas, who told police that the two of them went to Best Buy at 1148 N.W. Norman Ave. in Gresham about 1:30 p.m. on Aug. 18, 2011. Bargas said he went into the store to buy a game and left Holt in the rental car with the key in the ignition."When Bargas came out of the store, the car and Holt were gone, the report says.
"Bargas told the officer that he and Holt often played jokes on each other so he waited for his friend to return. When he didn’t come back, Bargas ended up filing a missing person report.
"Bargas said the incident was “very much out of character” for Holt, who he said “was a well-known and trusted friend” and had just completed his EMT training. He told the officer he had no idea where Holt might have gone. He said Holt had shown him a house earlier in the day in Troutdale, saying that he and his wife were planning on renting it.
"Bargas told police that after his friend and the car disappeared he called Holt’s wife, Amanda Holt, who had no idea where he was and knew nothing about a rental house. The Holts were living in an apartment on Northeast Roberts Avenue in Gresham at the time.
"Holt returned the rental car to his friend at 12:30 a.m. the next day. Holt apologized, saying he had had “a mental breakdown,” the report says. He said he “needed to get away and rethink his life and straighten his priorities,” the report says.
"Holt said he had gone to a Washington park where he grew up and stayed there for several hours.
"Bargas did not return a call seeking comment."There's more to the article but it just recaps the crime and says nothing further about the stolen car incident.
Now I read that the local Kingdom Hall is having an Open House for the public, separate from Whitney's memorial. An Open House? At a Kingdom Hall???
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The same month I lost my faith in God was when I was appointed an elder
by Most Noble inmy appointment came just when i started having mixed feelings about the existence of god and wt's legitimacy.
isn't it ironic?.
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AnneB
If you wrote to WT, even anonymously, your letter will be sent back to the congregations in the area of the postmark! Yes, that's how far they go to track down anonymous writers!
Hopefully you mailed your letter from another state! If not, even if there are several KH's or congregations in your area, be Awake! (Couldn't resist!) The elders will be hypervigilant, watching for the apostate in their midst.
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City Contributes $150,000 to Jehovahs Witnesses Convention
by TJ Curioso incity contributes $150,000 to jehovahs witnesses convention .
by ariella montioctober 22, 2012 | posted in: city council, news, the latest | 0 responsesduring a closed session a month ago raleigh city councilors approved a $150,000 contribution to the christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses convention that will be held next year at the pnc arena.. the city has been contributing money toward the event since it first came to raleigh seven years ago.. this is not new, said city manager russell allen.
he said the event has been built into the citys annual budget for awhile.. the approval came during a closed session after the regular sept. 18 city council meeting.
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AnneB
Partner with The World??? They'll do it. It will probably be something like providing "covered dish" meals on a building site...and having a literature table right there with it.