with so many aging bethelites being "laid off" after years of volunteer service, what hope do they have of collecting any social security retirement?
i ask because i recently learned that my mother will not receive any government retirement benefits because she did not work enough to collect the 40 credits required.
this got me to thinking about bethel volunteers.
The "volunteers" cannot pay self-employment tax, they don't meet the IRS requirements for self-employed people.
I seem tp remember a case a few years ago where a Bethelite filed a claim for some kind of benefits and won, WT had to pay. Maybe there's a thread about it in the archives. I don't mean the one about the auto accident, this was for health benefits or similar, maybe even for unemployment, if anyone cares to look it up.
i got this account second hand.
a former bethelite was reassigned to a local congregation.
he had been at bethel for years and is now in his fifties.
Steve2 and others, There is a difference between SSI and SSA. For SSA one must work and earn credits before receiving a benefit. SSI is not based on earnings but on age (at least 65) or disability. Please note that there is a difference between MediCare and MediCaid as well; the latter is for low income individuals who meet certain requirements. The laid off Bethelite may indeed be eligible for SSI and Medicaid as well as EBT which is based on income, not longevity.
Another benefit may be subsidized housing. It's difficult to get in a large city (wait lists) but in smaller towns it doesn't take long at all. Rent is topped out at 30% of adjusted income.
This ex-Bethelite rode the gravy train for how many years, now it's time for him to learn how others live. He made the choice, he pays the price...not forgetting that he also reaped the benefits and, it seems, is still reaping them since he is known by the term (ex)Bethelite. In the $ecular world (which is what we're talking about here) that designation just doesn't carry any weight at all. There are ways to survive but you have to learn what they are and apply them.
i got this account second hand.
a former bethelite was reassigned to a local congregation.
he had been at bethel for years and is now in his fifties.
Cheer up! When he's 65 he can apply for SSI. If he has a serious medical condition or other disability he may qualify for SSD sooner than that. He can always apply for EBT ("food stamps") and Medicaid if his income is low enough. Otherwise he'll have to work at whatever he can find and take his lumps with the rest of us.
No special sympathy here, life happens. Deal with it.
i have heard rumors and anecdotes of j.f.
rutherford calling women "a hank of hair and a stack of bones" but i never thought it was documented.
well thanks to jwfacts i finally found the quote in print.. this j.f.
Millie210, you are correct, Rutherford was quoting from a poem called "The Vampire" by Rudyard Kipling. It's online if anyone wants to look.
In the poem a man is enamored of a faithless woman and can't see it but his friends can. The phrase that Rutherford quoted he did quite accurately since he was discussing losing out on the heavenly calling to chase after something not worth the time and effort. Rutherford was not being sexist, he wasn't dissing women, he was pointing out what a loss it would be to pursue such a course.
Quoting well-known poetry is a technique used in public speaking by persons with a classical education. It's the unenlightened who tear him apart in their ignorance.
went back to get info from driver who tapped our car in line of cars exiting the area.
after getting her info, she waited till i walked back to our car and punched the gas, hitting me.
then drove off.
Went back to get info from driver who tapped our car in line of cars exiting the area. After getting her info, she waited till i walked back to our car and punched the gas, hitting me. Then drove off. was dark and raining and the scene full of panic. No charges filed but insurance all round. Cops hunted her down. Anyone else been run down by a nutjob? How did it turn out? I may need pins in my hand.
So far not a word said on behalf of the woman involved in this mishap...
It's just possible that she didn't mean to hit you at all. Perhaps she was already rattled by the evacuation and, in her upset, either hit the wrong pedal or hit with too much force and couldn't recover before you were injured! Driving off after giving you her ID and insurance information seems to show that she had no ill intent, so why impute such to her? "Dark, raining, and the scene full of panic."... and no one can see that she's not a "nutjob" as much as a woman in fright?
some that come to mind for me.. seven brides for seven brothers.
brigadoon.
carmen.
Maytime (1937) Nelson Eddy & Jeanette MacDonald (as are most of my favorites)
Rose-Marie (1936) "Indian Love Call" Beautiful!
Naughty Marietta (1935) "Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life" She sings it well!
San Francisco (1936) The church scene is even better than the final songs.
when i was in, we all used to claim us jw's were "one big family" all around the world, and how we're the happiest people on the earth.
except that isnt true is it?
i knew that when i was in, but i've just had some news which shows me how unloving, uncaring and un-family like they really are.. my ex-best friend (he has to shun me doesn't he?
In my opinion, "helping" with material assistance isn't the right way to go. Anything given from cash to housing to goods will likely be considered a "blessing from Jehovah" thus reinforcing their belief that their life course is on target.
They're not alone; remember that they each have biological family who have life experience and resources. They've been through the educational system, they have access to information from the media. In other words, this situation, while unique to them, isn't uncommon and there is help "out there" if they choose to use it.
The better course is to allow them how to handle the matter themselves. They'll get there even if it takes a few more losses before it happens. Show them respect, let them work it out as adults; don't play "parent" and stunt their chances for real growth.
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when i was in, we all used to claim us jw's were "one big family" all around the world, and how we're the happiest people on the earth.
except that isnt true is it?
i knew that when i was in, but i've just had some news which shows me how unloving, uncaring and un-family like they really are.. my ex-best friend (he has to shun me doesn't he?
Can this couple file a claim against the house owner's homeowners insurance?
an informant in spanish forum, active elder in a congregation in madrid (spain) has posted new info regarding elders school 2017. important changes are to be done for "child" or sexual abuses.
https://abusostj.vbulletin.net/forum/main-forum/audiencias-judiciales/5506-escuela-de-ancianos-2017.
doing a summary:.
...when the judicial committee starts...
How many judicial committees will there be since there have to be two witnesses before the elders will proceed?
What about the cases where there are not two witnesses? They won't make it as far as a JC.
Elders may also be offenders. They can sit in Elder's School and learn just exactly what hurdles they need to overcome to avoid censure for their "sins." Convenient.
just a remembrance of the woodland hills, ca assembly hall.
i am enclosing a partial copy of a wikipedia article covering the purchase and subsequent sale of the facility by the jw.
i am enclosing the link and please pay attention to the bold portion of the document.. the theater project was backed by entertainers bob hope and art linkletter, along with cy warner.. the 2865-seat facility opened july 6, 1964 with the sound of music.
They have the purchase year wrong on Wikipedia, I was baptized at Woodland Hills in January, 1975. I believe it was the first month the place was used as a JW facility. There was no heat, the baptism pool was outside, and January in SoCal isn't all that warm!
I never understood why they took out the creation panels from the lobby. People used to pose for pictures there; we did it every assembly.
