this is why i like to help those come to an accurate knowledge in the first place.
those that agree that there has been so many god's that have been worshiped can post here.
satan is behind it all of course.
Satan is behind it not Jehovah. Jehovah wants all to come to an understanding of him and his way of truth. Satan on the other hand wants people to worship anyone but the true God.
Satan seems to be winning by a huge margin. He's managed to fool 99.9% of the people in the world, while your god has only convinced a paltry 0.01% of the truth. I guess Satan is just better at PR than Jehovah.
funkyderek, do you actually know what PEDOPHILE means, before blundering in telling me I am sensationalizing things?
Yes, which is precisely why I didn't use the term. The alleged list of 23,720 names is not a list of people who are attracted to children, but those who have acted or are alleged to have acted on those desires. I used the term "child abusers" because that appeared to be what you mean by the term "pedophile", for example when you said "the vast majority of incidents of pedophilia", "For every pedophile who is known (whether or not convicted), there are 4 to 10 pedophiles who are not", "The number of pedophiles reported...alleged perpetrator". You didn't use the term "child abuser" even when that's clearly what you meant. It was not clear from your original post that the 4:1 ratio was that of pedophiles to known or alleged abusers. It appeared to be a ratio of unknown abusers to known or alleged abusers. Perhaps you should have made that clearer.
Your patronising tone is not appreciated, and the racial slur just makes you seem desperate.
Far more importantly, the key thing is to EXPOSE THE WICKED WATCHTOWER.No it isn't. The key thing is the truth. Trying to make the Watchtower look worse than it is by number manipulation is self-defeating.
Other possibilities that are more likely than 1 in 10 male JWs being child abusers:
The figure of 23,720 is incorrect or refers to something other than the individual number of abusers known to the WTS.
The assertion that 90% of allegations are true is incorrect.
The percentage of cases that go unreported is much lower than 80%, possibly because of greater reporting among JWs than among the general public.
There is a real problem in the Watchtower Society. Sensationalising it by drawing unsafe conclusions from faulty reasoning will not help anybody. Concentrate on the real, known problems.
there are some that are obvious and then others that just baffle me to no end..... yes i am talking about your user names.... do any of you have stories behind them or are they significant for some reason or are they just a word you made up?.
mine...well its easy.... i got the nickname of spicy back in nov of last year when i dyed my hair this crazy red color and the name of the color was "spiced ginger".
the rest of it is because i love to make things more interesting---- sorta of like adding a bit of spice to the stew (hopefully i come across as that as well .
My name's Derek, and I fit most of the following definitions of the word "funky":
funky 2 Pronunciation Key (f
adj.
funkier,
funkiest
Edited by - funkyderek on 19 July 2002 5:6:12
from the panorama website:.
"you can ask our panel about the organisation, its policies and how child abuse should be dealt with in a live forum on monday 15 july at 14:00 bst, to be shown on this page and on digital satellite television.".
can anyone tell me which digital satellite channel this is on?
Yeah, there's loads of stuff there now. I don't think it was there before.
If this is anything to go by, the WTS aren't going to come out of it looking very good:
When asked by Panorama about the number of suspected paedophiles on the database, Paul Gillies from the Jehovah's Witnesses Office of Public Information in the UK said: "It is not meaningful to focus on the number of names we have in our records".
With regard to their policy on reporting abuse to the authorities, he referred us to the 8 October 1993 issue of Awake!, page 9, which states:
"Some legal experts advise reporting the abuse to the authorities as soon as possible. In some lands the legal system may require this. But in other places the legal system may offer little hope of successful prosecution."
one of my biggest pet peeves of being a witness was when the overseer would come visit, and everyone was sooo nice, sweet to everyone, no clicks, they'd arrive early, stay after & talk, everyone would raise their hands, give "heartfelt" answers, looked nice, sang loud, just the model congregation.
yet, when the overseer wasnt there, people would come late, leave early, not be nice to everyone, blah blah.
i guess to me- if they knew what they "should" be doing, why not do it all the time?
Sounds familiar. I remember there was a rule that the hall was supposed to be open 20 minutes before the meeting, but it rarely was except when the CO was there, when everyone would turn up 30 mins early. Of course, we thought it was just our congregation. Didn't everybody?!
bbcamerica has a page where one can submit requests for specific programs:______.
http://www.bbcamerica.com/about/contactus_email.jsp.
i have no clue whether this is intended for "other programs" aired by "other bbc affiliates", but it would seem to be worth 5 minutes for everyone to take the time to fill out a request that "suffer the little chidren" be aired on bbcamerica.
I dunno - it's not like they USUALLY air Panorama or anything. In fact, we really don't get much in the way of BBC news programs at all on the station. I mean, heck, we're compressing how many stations of BBC onto one channel? Then, keep in mind, we are also catching up on how many decades of what would be considered 'reruns' (if they had aired before)? Then, to top it off, episodes of REALLY popular shows like 'Changing Rooms', 'Ground Force', 'AbFab', 'Monty Python', etc. just keep getting repeated over and over.
There's really only two BBC channels and they both repeat all the old sitcoms from decades ago and repeat stuff like "Changing Rooms" ad nauseum so you probably don't miss much there! I'm sure they can squeeze one episode of Panorama in.
to my friends who do not post here,.
"along with the missionaries, these now literate witnesses rejoice.
because they can now use their ability to read and write to honor jehovah.".
IslandWoman
Deuteronomy 25:4 You must not muzzle your ox when it is treading grain
How does that apply to anything, except farming?
researchers in new york have created infectious polioviruses from ordinary, inert chemicals they obtained from a scientific mail-order house, marking the first time a functional virus has been made from scratch and raising a host of new scientific and ethical concerns.. "this shows it's now possible to go from data printed on a piece of paper or stored in a computer and, without the organism itself.
reconstruct a life form," said john la montagne, deputy director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases at the national institutes of health.. .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a58070-2002jul11.html
Take God out of it and the same question remains, "How did it all ultimately come into existence?" An explanation of existence is reasonable, not just for a God.
Exactly! That was my point. The "it's always been there" argument works equally well for the universe as it does for a god. Applying Occam's razor, it's pointless to postulate an extra entity, especially one which is more complicated, when none is needed.
If there's no need for a god, why complicate things unnecessarily by inventing one?
Edited by - funkyderek on 12 July 2002 15:8:59
researchers in new york have created infectious polioviruses from ordinary, inert chemicals they obtained from a scientific mail-order house, marking the first time a functional virus has been made from scratch and raising a host of new scientific and ethical concerns.. "this shows it's now possible to go from data printed on a piece of paper or stored in a computer and, without the organism itself.
reconstruct a life form," said john la montagne, deputy director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases at the national institutes of health.. .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a58070-2002jul11.html
You did, however, leave out one explanation: God in relation to infinity and the Implications thereof, which can really be a part two to your first question.
I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Care to expand?
