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  Let's take a poll

  by ldrnomo in

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  how many partakers were there in your congregation if we get enough of a count, we can average them out over the 100000 cong's and see how close we come to predicting the total number worldwide.. sadly i could not attend because i am out of the country.

  not, lol, imjoeking, about the sadly part.

  ld.

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  yknot

  zip, zero, zilch..........
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  Memorial invitations didn't work in my congo. Did they work in yours?

  by outofthebox in

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  so, the people in my congo expended hours and hours distributing the invitations, but the attendance was the same as always (actually a little less than other years).

  how about your congo?

  -ootn

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  yknot

  Less then last year, but enough to have to use the alter-TMS room and library
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  Watchtower library 2007 deutsch

  by pk01 in

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  hallo,kann mir jemand upload wtlibd zum beispiel auf rapidshare?vielen dank.pk

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  yknot

  Thanks Fokyc! - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/154311/1.ashx

  http://www.box.net/shared/pg2q8d74sc

  German rough translation:

  Es ist noch verfügbar hier als .gi file

  Nachdem dies leicht geladen hat, ist mit irgendeinem Schallscheibenbrenner verwaltet, der für frei mit dem neusten HP Computern ausgegeben wird

  ODER ISO buster wird es behandeln.

  AUCH

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/152097/1.ashx Thanks Brinjen!

  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5YSOHSVY
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  Watchtower library 2007 deutsch

  by pk01 in

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  hallo,kann mir jemand upload wtlibd zum beispiel auf rapidshare?vielen dank.pk

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  yknot

  Translation: German to English

  Hello can someone help me upload WTLIBD for example on rapidshare?

  thank you very much. PK
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  Do you know any young(er) people taking the emblems?

  by hotchocolate in

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  2. beliefs

  the memorial i think is getting close to being over in most parts of the world.

  i'm really interested to know if the recent watchtower article encouraged any to partake for the first time.

  did anyone notice this?

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  yknot

  No one partakes in my KH....

  But my children 3 & 8 partook privately at home. ( They feel sorry for Jesus having to eat that bread and drink that "stuff")
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  Hope everyone survived the big day!

  by Hope4Others in

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  now that memorial is past i hope that all is well for everyone mentally, physically, emotionally.

  many were in a great turmoil as to feelings and what to do about.

  going , so how are we all today?

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  Talk about disasters!

  A couple of Elders thought it would be 'Great!" to save $$$ and have the English Congo have their Memorial at the KH after the Spanish Congo.

  It started at 9pm and ended at 10:20pm

  Parents with small children spent most of the Memorial (9:20-10pm) out in the parking lot soothing cranky tired children up way past their bedtimes (or kids put to sleep in cars/suburbans). So while the Former Bethelite (mid-50s) who now has been put out to pasture reassigned received oohs and ahhs like he was rocking the podium like a GB member spent most of the time talking to only about 45 sheeple. He started off with why using the "real" emblems was so important. He highlighted his story with prisoners making wine out of fermented red grapes or soaked raisins despite if being caught with the alcoholic brew could be sentenced to longer periods of incarceration. All I could think about was how Jesus said to do things in spirit and to have the love of God in ones heart. I mean what is more important here ritual or spirit? I just felt sick that they would have people in banned countries or those just not in position to obtain the "right" kind of wine make such sacrifices for what Jesus meant as symbolic. I am convinced more then ever that the correctness of the emblems versus the desire to remember Jesus and have a moment to partake in the symbolic sacrifice of Christ is far more important.

  That is all that I heard of the Memorial as my 3yrs old was just as cranky as the others. I understand that my 8yrs (sitting with 3 of her friends) old fell asleep during the passing of wine and the Former Bethelite decided to have her woke up and then made a little joke at her expense (she is a very sensitive child). She feels 'totally humilitated' and said she isn't going to anymore meetings (she has always had the option to stay at home with her dad)

  The main talk out in the lot (we had warm weather with a very pleasant breeze) was how stupid it is to have to bring kids to the KH late at night to go to meetings. We all relived our stories from childhood about being tired the day after BS and TMS. At least 5 of us are going to boycott the BS/TMS for the month of April (bet the others will enjoy the break of having to haul everyone to the KH or study home).

  Well that was my night....
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  What's more important??

  by The Last Nephilim in

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  i'm placing this into the "scandals and coverups" section for good reason, i think.

  a few days ago i had an elder and one of "the anointed" come by to encourage my wife and i to "get back to the meetings before it's too late".

  i proceeded to tell him a few of the reasons why i've lost confidence in the elders and the organization, and he retorted with a real- life example of how i need to see that although the "brothers" can make mistakes, it's best to accept it as "jehovah's will" and play along.

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  Reminds me to ask myself and search the Bible where Jesus just went along with the Pharisees for the greater good of their rule over the Israelites.
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  if your considering the memorial tonight, read this!

  by burningbridges in

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  just because i know it won't be read tonight, anyone who is going to the memorial this evening should seriously consider john chapter 6:53-57 before hand.

  go ahead, research it in your little watchtower cd's... they will attempt to explain it away in with it's "broader" meaning and not its "literal" application.

  the truth is apparent to anyone with open eyes, jesus instructed anyone who wanted to have a relationship with him to participate in communion, (yes you do need to evaluate your heart as 1 corinth 11:27-29 says, but this was not told to prevent you from partaking if you were not "annointed" it was said to make sure you knew the seriousness of your relationship with christ) the verses in john were not told to annointed ones, they were told to a crowd of jews, the "john class", the "other sheep".

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  aah my unleavened bread is in the oven and red wine is chilling.......

  We have our KH Memorial at 9 tonight.....plenty of time to partake and make an appearance as expected later tonight.
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  Patriotism?

  by HB in

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  2. beliefs

  i added a couple of questions i would like to know the answers to in a topic that has now become buried on the back-list, so as they haven't been picked up i am trying again by starting a new topic.

  (if the forum administrator is reading this, would it not be better to use the common system that if new posts are added to old topics, they jump to the head of the list?

  sorry if i am going over old ground but i am new here.).

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  yknot

  My questions were:
  1. I understand JWs are not prepared to fight for their country, work for the Government or local authorities, serve on a jury, vote, salute the flag or honour national traditions,etc. This is apparently an attempt to be 'in the world but not of it'.

  JWs can and do work for Governments and local authorities. According to the WTS some even work at the U.N.
  Voting is a matter of conscience and I know many who do in local elections (like school board, taxes, or annexations). Evil as I am… I am currently serving as a delegate. I also will tell you that practically all JWs I know go to see the fireworks on the 4th of July. Are JWs the type to be carried away with nationalism, no and that is a good thing.

  So do JWs accept state pensions and social security payments and benefits? I understand they pay taxes so I assume they do accept state benefits with a clear conscience, but it seems very selfish to just pick and choose the bits of the system they like and leave out the bits they don't. Taxes are required by law but accepting benefits is not obligatory. I do understand the rights of conscientious objectors, but JWs don't make an effort to positively contribute to society in any other way I can see.

  If a JW has earned a pension (rare now in the US job package) they collect, SS is paid in by all who are have an income and are younger then 65 and collected by all who are eligible. Surely you choose to pick & choose from your rights within a socialist government as Americans do in a democratic government regardless of religious affiliation. BTW as a born-in JW, because of strict moral expectations I am not a criminal and I pay my taxes without much ado. To many politicians JWs are a great type of constituent to represent; they don’t push personal political agendas, and pay taxes without political demands. Government leaders like to lead, non-questioning JWs make great sheeple as long as you let them graze without forcing a confrontation.

  Also, there is a new issue in today's world, as in the West we are all part of the "War on terror". This involves helping to defend our respective countries in various ways such as watching out for suspious looking bags left on railway stations etc. Taking the JW anti-war stance to it's logical conclusion, if a JW saw a suspicious package and did his moral duty and reported it to the authorities, would he technically be participating in the "war on terror"?

  Please try to remember that you are on a small island and America (where most of the JWs live) is a larger area of land. In the United Kingdom you also have Muslims that espouse things that would land them in Gitmo here. Our perceptions are different as our cultures. The idea of looking out for a suspicious package is as foreign as the idea of hailing a cab in my rurally isolated area. I know some JWs in London and yes they do feel the worries of terrorism. The Extremist Muslim rhetoric has them as much on edge as other Londoners. As for moral duty well what is considered moral and duty tends to be individual discernments but those that I know in areas considered vulnerable to terrorist activities all would report to the authorities without feeling like they were participating in a war. Besides “alternative service’ is now a matter of conscience.

  2. Although JWs do not vote, I assume many of them must have private political views. Are these ever expressed amongst the congregation in conversation, or do they carefully avoid all mention amongst themselves? (If so it must be very difficult to have an interesting genuine conversation!)

  Again some do vote in local issues that do not have to do with the ability to cause someone’s death. While I know of voting, I have never heard political discussions beyond that of persecution by governments towards JWs. There is a great deal of apathy in the USA toward the politics, even in an election year.

  And theoretically, if a political Party proposed in their election manifesto to ban belonging to the Watchtower Society, would the Governing Body then change its mind and order members to vote in the election to try to keep that Party out of power?

  The JWs have faced government bans and in the past, the WTS tends to take the issue to court. If that fails they whine to the UN or other international watchdog groups about religious persecution. Many countries such as the US do not consider economic stimulus to countries who show a lack of freedom of religion and limit aid to food. Voting would not be encouraged. Additionally persecution actually tends to strengthen the unity and devotion to the WTS. The few countries that would purpose such bans are really of little financial consequence to the WTS, they would encourage their members to disobey the law even if it meant death, evoking Luke 20:25 “By all means, then, pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”
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  WHO OWNS YOUR HOUSE?

  by sammielee24 in

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  banks lose to deadbeat homeowners as loans sold in bonds vanish .

  by bob ivry.

  lost-note affidavits .

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  Until next year......

  Some Korean who bought up our mortgage 7 years ago.

  I have written to my reps repeatedly about the dangers of letting foreigners buy mortgages.