Posts by Maddie

raymond franz was a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses from 1971 until may 22, 1980, and served at the organization's world headquarters for fifteen years, from 1965 until 1980. franz wrote and edited two detailed books which relate his personal experiences with the watch tower bible and tract society and fellow members of the jehovah's witness organization.. .

after reading ray franz's books,i held him and his fellow members responsible for all the false teachings.

i also wasn't forgiving any of them even if they found out that it wasn't the ''truth'' and left the organization.now i changed my mind.

Maddie

Only before the fact.

Maddie

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Tell me about the weirdos in your congro.

by karter in

we had a guy who used to bang on about natural remedies.. at the doors and meetings he would tell everyone what was wrong with them and what to take to remedy it he even told the brothers of for sell coke at the assemblies.. however there was know remedy for his mental health apart from that he was a fat little porker who looked like you could grow spuds on his teeth and washing wasnt big on his agenda last i heard he joined scientology.. we had 4 sisters in the congro pregnant one nut case confessed to the elders he was father to all of them.. one sister used to attack the po's wife in the kh then stand up through the meeting and abuse at the speaker after that they would call the sike team it wasnt uncommon for her to go door to door at midnight.. last i heard she became a counsellor..

Maddie

I can think of a few very odd types One that I knew was/is very strange and always gave me the creeps. He always said the "right"things but seemed to have a way of staring with a smirk on his face. I heard he became an elder even though his step-daughter claimed he make her keep the toilet door open when she was in there. No one took any notice of her and she became a rebel so didn't become a JW.

Maddie

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Are we really just USELESS things?

by nomoreguilt in

in considering the april personal wt study material, it appears to me as though the org has become quite concerned with our activities.

so much so as to use a subject of useless things to actually get to the heart of the matter.

we all know how it works.

Maddie

We are use-less things because they can't mind control us any more. I hope they are so scared that they hang themselves.

Maddie

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What is the motives of the GB?

by sweet pea in

ok guys and dolls, want your input here.

a friend of mine has a question...... .

"the brothers in bethel/headquarters seem very sincere and loving - what possible motive would they have in trying to deceive people, what do they get out of it?

Maddie

If a lie becomes a big enough part of your life, you become convinced it is the truth and then believe it yourself.

Maddie

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Life's but a ...

by compound complex in

jw
friends

life's but a walking shadow, a poor player.

that struts and frets his hour upon the stage.

and then is heard no more; it is a tale.

Maddie

Dream

Maddie

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Now That We're Outta The "Organization" Can We Be Who We Really Are?

by minimus in

jw
friends

when you come here, are you comfortable to be who you really are?

can you express how you truly feel?

i know that not everyone may "understand" who we are, but being out of the organization and its myriads of rules, we should be able to be comfortable.

Maddie

I don't know who I really am. I might be a figment of my own imagination.

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Peoples temple cult

by jacethespace in

i just watched a documentary about the peoples temple cult and was suprised to find there is some intresting similarites between there attitude beliefs and the watchtower society.. they began as an ordinary group intrested in morals and god and jim jones gradually manipulated them to the point of murder and suicide.. he would reprimand people in front of the whole congregation playing on peoples fears and guilt to the point where sometimes he would encourage others to hit a " wrongdoer".as he got more control over the people they feared to leave and anyone that spoke about leaving was turned in by there own family, hmm that sounds familar.

jim jones feared some that got out and tried to shield the congregation from bad press which is why around 900 were " encouraged " to leave america and go to guyana to what they called jonestown.he told his members that they couldnt leave and that the world would harm them if they ever left.. at one time he passed around a cup to drink and then told the congregation they had drank poison then after they panicked he told them it wasnt true he was just " testing to see how loyal they would be to him".. when they moved to jonestown they set up there own paradise.they grew there own food and made themselves completly independant from the outside world.they built there own homes and would have no outside information except a loudspeaker which jim jones spoke over and used recorded speechs on even throughout the night.he was telling them that the whole world was coming to turn on them and kill them and take away what they had.. when they said they wanted to leave he would say they were committing " blasphemy" by leaving and they would change there mind.. sadly at the end they encouraged mass suicide and took with them a visiting congressman.. paradise quickly turned into chaos and a nightmare and it got me thinking about the wachtowers utopian dream of paradise on earth.if they watchtower cant get things right now how the hell are they going to be capable of governing the whole planet in " the new system.. this isnt the same documentary but heres a link to one documentary about the peoples temple.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3625536419231928674&q=peoples+temple&total=2133&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4.

Maddie

I watched it too and like you was struck by some of the similarities to the WT. All cults have the same mind control techniques and all are evil.

Maddie

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Would you ever consider Going Back?

by Honesty in

jw
friends

after discovering what you have about the watchtower society would you ever consider going back to the jw's?

Maddie

Not for all the tea in China

Maddie